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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:33 AM Dec 2015

The relish with which Hill supporters are running around calling Sanders [View all]

corrupt and dishonest is the single most ironic thing about this contretemps. Not to mention disgusting. It's not saying that Bernie is flawless, to defend him from the accusations that he's corrupt. His record does that. But this has been going on for a while, so it's to be expected.

One of Hillary's most widely perceived weaknesses is the broad perception that she isn't honest and that she's ethically compromised. Hillary supporters have been desperate to ding Sanders image as honest and honorable.

Hill supporters here have railed endlessly on about how she wasn't responsible for what her surrogates and supporters did in 2008 and at other times, how she's not responsible for anything Bill did regardless of her involvement. And on and on.

And unlike Bernie who has defended Hillary, Hillary's campaign pounced on this before the facts have even been marshalled. Bernie has repeatedly personally defended Hillary. No such grace from camp Hillary.

We now have DU Hillary supporters running around saying they'll work their asses off to defeat Bernie if he runs for reelection in 2018. Well, from a Vermonter, you don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of accomplishing that, but more to the point, shame on you.

It's disgusting to watch this.

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Sanders flip flopped on defending Hillary long ago. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #1
No. He didn't say two things that were inconsistent. MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #9
Love the "fang marks" description! Divernan Dec 2015 #32
very true Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #54
Yes he did. He did not support marriage equality for VT in 2006. He said it would be too divisive. MADem Dec 2015 #125
Sure RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #121
he saved hrc's butt from a constant drumbeat on her emails. That roguevalley Dec 2015 #145
That's so true. zentrum Dec 2015 #147
I believe that her 11-hour grilling before BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #164
KICK ! ! ! fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #2
Wait, what?!? peacebird Dec 2015 #3
Stupid autocorrect. Assets for asses cali Dec 2015 #4
I assumed you were being PC, but I LOVE the bit about defeating his REELECTION bid in 2018!! peacebird Dec 2015 #5
Bernie wont have to worry about reelection in 2018 demwing Dec 2015 #14
Love it! peacebird Dec 2015 #15
ba....wait for it....BAM! nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #46
LOL Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #48
Speaking of 2020... that's when Texas should be going blue beerandjesus Dec 2015 #73
Assets might be pretty correct LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #62
My guess is he will drop out of the Senate after a humiliating loss to Hillary. upaloopa Dec 2015 #51
I haven't seen any saying that, yet. George II Dec 2015 #77
Today is kinda entertaining, really. djean111 Dec 2015 #6
DINO-saur droppings. astute play on words. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #12
Yep. They're desperately trying to say that one staffer's "crime" somehow means Bernie is guilty too reformist2 Dec 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #109
Presidential campaigns ain't touch football 6chars Dec 2015 #8
And my friend that is exactly why voters today are so very jwirr Dec 2015 #71
Not a new phenomenon 6chars Dec 2015 #84
I think that there is another tradition as well. The good guy jwirr Dec 2015 #88
actually, not such a tradition 6chars Dec 2015 #99
Disgusting, yes - but completely expected demwing Dec 2015 #10
I loathe Hillary Clinton, and it's all because of the actions of her supporters. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #11
This ^^^ ybbor Dec 2015 #26
I love Bernie Andy823 Dec 2015 #37
I couldn't disagree with you more.... eom Leftyforever Dec 2015 #52
Funny, that's exactly the same way I feel about some of Clinton's supporters. n/t dgibby Dec 2015 #104
I hope you hold those same high standrds toward HRC supporters notadmblnd Dec 2015 #131
ALL the swooners *SUCK* Skittles Dec 2015 #163
I have not personally seen anything slimier in decades that can equal what Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #165
+1000000. Yes indeed! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #70
Well put. So many versions of that insufferable claim...both sides. Ridiculous. libdem4life Dec 2015 #132
Umm, well, his campaign did just steal a bunch of data. So there's that. DanTex Dec 2015 #13
These OPs are hilarious. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #18
Are you really stealing a $20 that is liying at your feet on the sidewalk? tech3149 Dec 2015 #22
No, but you are stealing sensitive private data even if you download it. DanTex Dec 2015 #25
Well Andy823 Dec 2015 #39
I seriously doubt they used what was seen. Plucketeer Dec 2015 #68
They did ask specific questions in their twenty four searches. And download it to separate files. Laser102 Dec 2015 #75
No. Plucketeer Dec 2015 #85
They didn't steal anything gregcrawford Dec 2015 #91
Might I recommend this Snopes article. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #101
You should post this as an OP. dgibby Dec 2015 #107
It is over in the Bernie section LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #108
Great! Thanks again. dgibby Dec 2015 #113
We've always said that repukes are murielm99 Dec 2015 #122
The HRC Defense Team Is Out In Force Today - Damage Control Must Pay Very Well cantbeserious Dec 2015 #16
But mom, Hillary made me do it!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2015 #21
Chuckles - Thank You For The Laugh cantbeserious Dec 2015 #27
There's an old saying along the lines of "You can't con/cheat an honest man." MADem Dec 2015 #126
Judging from the quality of output, it's money well-wasted. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2015 #128
Yes, you'd think they'd get a writing sample from them first BuelahWitch Dec 2015 #140
I relish watching the Combustible Hair Club using fire extinguishers. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #17
Exactly! Andy823 Dec 2015 #40
While your perception has validity, I think it would be better to qualify it with "some" still_one Dec 2015 #19
No what's disgusting is watching Bernie Supports attack Hillary and DWS moobu2 Dec 2015 #20
I haven't attacked Hillary over this beyond noting that cali Dec 2015 #23
I've lost count of the # of petitions dgibby Dec 2015 #110
Happy Birthday!!! DocMac Dec 2015 #117
Thanks! The fact that I'm still on the green side of the sod dgibby Dec 2015 #123
No. The worst thing to happen to the Democratic Party... bvar22 Dec 2015 #137
+1 stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #63
+100 workinclasszero Dec 2015 #168
I just find it amazing that supporters of a candidate whose campaign in 2008..... marmar Dec 2015 #24
That's the ancient past though! Now all is forgiven and forgotten. neverforget Dec 2015 #33
True, that happens treestar Dec 2015 #81
Well, they'll do and say anything to win. Nyan Dec 2015 #38
Keep the faith and do some research on DU - a lot came out jwirr Dec 2015 #74
Yes... DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #111
The Clinton supporters support the magical (D) mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #95
That's it - it's all about the (D). n/t ms liberty Dec 2015 #167
they're so desperate to tear down a man retrowire Dec 2015 #28
It's about the power. And they have the resources, they might as well spend the money. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #135
It doesn't really bother me anymore Nyan Dec 2015 #29
I'm quite entertained by Sanders supporters who had previously been chumming the Clinton email water NuclearDem Dec 2015 #30
Nope, didn't do that. Her sleazy shit re the Honduran coup and many other cali Dec 2015 #34
Didn't say you did. Plenty of your fellow supporters, on the other hand, did. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #45
Stop the straw man argument, please. Nyan Dec 2015 #43
I know, I was there. I was celebrating it with most of DU's Sanders supporters. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #47
I do agree that there are a few supporters Nyan Dec 2015 #50
You have no idea how many times I get attacked for saying this ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #118
Who's against it? backscatter712 Dec 2015 #67
According to the logs, the only people looking at that time were BS people. Laser102 Dec 2015 #79
At that time. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #149
Plus, those logs were provided by Clinton's IT guy n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #151
And they were EASY as hell to spot because they were named Fawke Em Dec 2015 #154
Got a link to all these outputs of the logs? The Boss Dec 2015 #157
Link please. I'm pretty sure Bernie's team would love to have an independent investigation ... Scuba Dec 2015 #97
I believe you might have that wrong. dgibby Dec 2015 #100
I've never said that. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #148
No Sanders supporters are "opposed to investigations". That's a lie, and a lame one at that. arcane1 Dec 2015 #152
What is this, just the latest. haikugal Dec 2015 #31
I called this one yesterday. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #35
I cannot imagine how Hillary and her fan club could possibly jwirr Dec 2015 #82
They're out of touch with the mood of the country because in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #92
I like Bernie. I still believe he has integrity. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #36
Exactly! Andy823 Dec 2015 #44
Neither Bernie or his 'staff' turned this into a circus zalinda Dec 2015 #57
WTF are you going on about? demwing Dec 2015 #58
Maybe... LeFleur1 Dec 2015 #87
this is something the Clintons do ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #160
Odd comment considering Bernie fired the responsible party on his end, and he's the only person Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #115
Why do you insist on repeatedly referring to what "Bill did"? Is he running for President? George II Dec 2015 #41
I can't speak for Cali, dgibby Dec 2015 #103
So, this happened in 2008 only it was Obama who benefited from the "stolen" data. jalan48 Dec 2015 #42
Disgusting is the word. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #49
Agree 100% panader0 Dec 2015 #53
K&R! Duval Dec 2015 #55
I channel my disgust watoos Dec 2015 #56
It is disgusting and makes me dislike her, her campaign and supporters even more. SoapBox Dec 2015 #59
Perfect picture of DNC and DWS dirty tricks. A photo is worth a 1,000 words! dgibby Dec 2015 #114
Wow, progressoid Dec 2015 #141
grace? Hillary? paleotn Dec 2015 #60
Welcome to being a Clinton supporter. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #61
It's nauseating but par course JackInGreen Dec 2015 #64
Only in the Twitter bubble. moobu2 Dec 2015 #65
We're from different world's then moob JackInGreen Dec 2015 #78
You are quoting Debbie and her statement to Wolfie has been contradicted Oilwellian Dec 2015 #133
I'm not quoting anybody but moobu2 Dec 2015 #139
Yes, you're quoting Debbie Oilwellian Dec 2015 #142
Yep. That seems to be the spam point today. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #66
Well let's start with suing the DNC Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #69
I have seen little bashing of Bernie compared... 40RatRod Dec 2015 #72
We bash here voting record and who she takes her money from... eom Leftyforever Dec 2015 #76
Telling the truth about Hillary is NOT bashing. Hepburn Dec 2015 #112
Spot on, cali! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #80
Perception/reality. They tagged Gore with being a liar. He has a kinda lie in a debate, Bush had 13. seabeyond Dec 2015 #83
This shouldn't even BE a battle between Bernie and Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #86
It is essentially Rovian swiftboating. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #89
"No such grace from camp Hillary..." villager Dec 2015 #90
k+r Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #93
Oh thank you.. nenagh Dec 2015 #130
If the situation was reserved what would be like? iandhr Dec 2015 #94
But it is not reversed so it does not matter. jwirr Dec 2015 #98
No, it does ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #120
Yet, whenever the more tech savvy of us Bernie supporters mention how unsecure Fawke Em Dec 2015 #153
Hillary's private email server was designated as insecure ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #156
Someone call the whambulance firebrand80 Dec 2015 #96
It is a common trait... DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #102
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #105
Tks Cali - I read most articles here at DU - comments are asiliveandbreathe Dec 2015 #106
Why is there no report of Hillary's campaign getting Bernie's data? TryLogic Dec 2015 #116
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #119
Their childish deflection is nothing new. I'd expect nothing less. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #124
Bernie is not dishonest RandySF Dec 2015 #127
Get off their asses and work to defeat Bernie, you say? notadmblnd Dec 2015 #129
Yup. The behavior of Hillary backers here and elsewhere throughout DataGate has WIProgressive88 Dec 2015 #134
Classic Rovian strategy. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #136
Yawn ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #138
Attack people's strengths awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #143
Yes, how dare Hillary's supporters point out that his staffers accessed her campaign's documents. Beacool Dec 2015 #144
I agree with you on this, Cali Samantha Dec 2015 #146
Reading clarifying threads is literally not their job. Facts are irrelevant. arcane1 Dec 2015 #150
GOP trolls got on the DU and ginned up hate by sex and by race in the last few years. They get applegrove Dec 2015 #155
Video Compilation of Some Hillary Clinton Lies BeanMusical Dec 2015 #158
Bull fucking SHIT ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #159
Why do you think this post is about you? hueymahl Dec 2015 #161
<3 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #166
heh, agree and pretty much posted the same thing below. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #170
What flavor/kind of relish? Tab Dec 2015 #162
Allow me to raise my legs off the floor to avoid the rising tide of bullshit. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #169
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