Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Gothmog

(146,190 posts)
88. The preception is that many Sanders supporters and surrogates do not share your view
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

Prof. West for example does not attempt to hide his dislike and contempt for President Obama which is not helping Sanders outreach with African American and other democratic voters. I find that I am also in agreement with Barney Franks' assessment of Sanders http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/three-reasons-why-things-will-get-harder-for-bernie-sanders-213591

Nor does President Barack Obama escape. While he does not explicitly attack the president, nowhere in Sanders’ campaign rhetoric is there any positive assessment of his record. His listeners do not hear that the Affordable Care Act was a great advance and must be protected as he and others try to go beyond it. They don’t hear that getting the top tax rate back up to where it was before Bush lowered it meant a real increase in tax fairness.

Many congressional Democrats, myself included, feel deep resentment at this wholly negative portrayal of our efforts. First, it is a prime example of how inattention has helped Sanders until now. Commentators have made a point of noting the lack of congressional support for Cruz, legitimately drawing negative inferences from the fact that his closest colleagues are essentially rejecting him. But little notice has been taken of the fact that Sanders does scarcely better: Cruz has one House supporter as I write; Sanders has two.

Why don’t their colleagues back them? In part, of course, it’s out of fear they’ll be weak in November. In Cruz’s case, this is also reinforced by a more strongly expressed personal dislike than I can remember attaching to any other member of Congress. With Sanders, the deeper problem isn’t personal; it’s the feeling that his approach to the very issue by which he defines himself—how to bring about fundamental progress toward a fairer society—makes it less likely that we will succeed in doing so.

This concern is as strong on the left wing of the congressional party as it is in the center. And it is deeply felt as well by the major advocacy groups that worked alongside us in achieving what progress we have won. No, Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign are not resisters of change. Neither is John Lewis, or the other Congressional Black Caucus members who are campaigning for Clinton, nor Tom Harkin, the leader in fighting for the rights of those with disabilities, nor Henry Waxman and Sandy Levin, who chaired the committees that wrote the ACA in the House and who have written an article defending their work against Sanders. And while I concede pride of authorship may influence me, when my 2010 opponent was greeted by cheers on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange during our campaign, and major financial operators like Carl Icahn and David Einhorn maxed out to him to punish me for our legislation, I don’t think any of them agreed with Sanders that Wall Street had somehow been regulating us.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/three-reasons-why-things-will-get-harder-for-bernie-sanders-213591#ixzz3zcSRXbh9

I live in the real world and I have been following these issues closely. I do not see how better results could have been obtained and I doubt that Sanders revolution will either be realized or be sufficient to change things.

Sanders is a good person but I do not believe that the above results are worthless. You are entitled to support the candidate of your choice for any reason you select and I will support the candidate of my choice for many reasons including the fact that I admire President Obama and think that a great deal has been accomplished in the face of strong opposition. I am not willing to throw these results away in the hopes that some revolution will change things in part because Sanders has been making the same speech for years/decades and this revolution has never materialized
Wow, powerful stuff in that piece! How to get the word out in time? kath Feb 2016 #1
Trying to divide the black population to pay for your FREE stuff. Shame on you. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #18
Which candidate are Hillary's "super-predators" supporting? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #22
You should post that on Facebook notadmblnd Feb 2016 #84
Yes. We must bring THEM to heel. pangaia Feb 2016 #92
I believe you dropped this.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #23
Her divisive posture on Obama, MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, and others weren't enough? TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #32
@ TheBlackAdder serbbral Feb 2016 #63
I'm neutral, but being a poli-sci continuing ed student, I'm seeing things that are affecting that! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #66
This might be a simple. naive suggestion, pangaia Feb 2016 #96
Indeed! Nedsdag Feb 2016 #80
k&r demosocialist Feb 2016 #128
I miss Olbermann. Thank goodness Bernie saved us from being stuck with Hillary johnlucas Feb 2016 #121
YOUR FREE STUFF DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #132
If Hillary can lose half the white vote, I'm sure shes quite capable of losing half the black vote! reformist2 Feb 2016 #2
Well...there is that! artislife Feb 2016 #38
Just invite her to your community. Eventually she alienates everyone who isn't exactly like her. reformist2 Feb 2016 #46
So true. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #3
Oops. Black voters taken for granted? They are not stupid. thereismore Feb 2016 #4
Excellent article. Autumn Feb 2016 #5
Oh, c'mon. This author is obviously a shill for Battling Bernie. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #6
as a woman of color, i don't hopemountain Feb 2016 #13
Its late and maybe I'm not as clever as I think I am mikehiggins Feb 2016 #19
thanks for replying hopemountain Feb 2016 #27
@Mikehiggins serbbral Feb 2016 #64
knr nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #7
That last paragraph that quotes the author, uh oh. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #8
I've often wondered if the support Team Hill is claiming is there Hydra Feb 2016 #9
Support and name recognition are two very different things n/t eridani Feb 2016 #10
OK, this was new for me and I'm not happy about it. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #11
Of course, authority first Hydra Feb 2016 #12
And I've been jumped on for calling her an authoritarian. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #15
I've been jumped on for being against torture here Hydra Feb 2016 #16
Hey, I willingly wear that proud mantle too! passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #17
Whoa. Thanks, pp. senz Feb 2016 #20
That's the mindset that gave us the term "Urban Pacification"..... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #24
That is new to me as well and I thought I had heard it all coming from her. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #25
Why won't Hillary release her transcripts? oasis Feb 2016 #82
At least she is honest about it in that clip..good to know. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #95
Addressing the causes though takes empathy and might not be profitable in the short term. polly7 Feb 2016 #98
WOW!!! Hillary is Done! This is the Age of the Internet! Can't hide behind lies anymore johnlucas Feb 2016 #124
I don't do social media, but feel free to use it! passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #125
Then email it. Make homemade CDs. Play it on your phone for somebody. We gotta spread this message! johnlucas Feb 2016 #126
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #14
K&R senz Feb 2016 #21
Michelle Alexander zentrum Feb 2016 #26
Hearing her speak on tour when this book came out was a major highlight for me that year eridani Feb 2016 #28
The depth... zentrum Feb 2016 #62
I have it on my kindle but haven't read it yet! nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #33
Exactly What I Thought billhicks76 Feb 2016 #29
Can't wait to see how this one will be explained away by her supporters. PonyUp Feb 2016 #30
HillaryClintonSupporters.com? in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #94
Either there, or at Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #159
well one in this thread claimed that "super predators" was taken out of context. So there is that. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #137
Major crack in the 'firewall' Dems to Win Feb 2016 #31
It is sad :( Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #34
Only if you are voting for Sanders. bravenak Feb 2016 #35
If she addresses their concerns, why can't she come out with a social justice platform jeff47 Feb 2016 #36
If he does why is he polling so poorly? bravenak Feb 2016 #37
So why can't she use that relationship to create a social justice platform that passess muster? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #39
Is BLM the final arbiter of all things black? hack89 Feb 2016 #40
No, but wouldn't someone with such a strong relationship be able to satisfy them? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #44
Don't know. They appear to be a very diverse and non-centralized group hack89 Feb 2016 #49
Yet the candidate without that relationship has produced a plan they approve of jeff47 Feb 2016 #51
Why don't you ask the AA community? hack89 Feb 2016 #55
It's a political discussion board. jeff47 Feb 2016 #60
Whatever. Bernie clearly has a problem he needs to fix hack89 Feb 2016 #61
@ hack89 serbbral Feb 2016 #67
Really? Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #114
The question is are YOU that uninformed?............ serbbral Feb 2016 #138
I quote you: Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #140
LOL!!!!!!! serbbral Feb 2016 #161
There is lingering goodwill for Bill Clinton cheapdate Feb 2016 #116
For the record, Bernie has all kinds of community relationships Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #115
I'm aware. My goal was to get more than platitudes from those other posters jeff47 Feb 2016 #117
I understand. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #120
Hillary Clinton definitely has a relationship... MellowDem Feb 2016 #72
Sounds like the other candidate! bravenak Feb 2016 #73
Bernie Sanders? MellowDem Feb 2016 #83
Least she can do, really. bravenak Feb 2016 #86
If you think... MellowDem Feb 2016 #97
Yes. Exactly. bravenak Feb 2016 #100
On what issues does she resonate with you over Sanders? You do realize that she supports rhett o rick Feb 2016 #103
He voted Yes on mass incarceration bravenak Feb 2016 #104
Your response says a lot. You did not say anything about what issues that you rhett o rick Feb 2016 #105
They care equally bravenak Feb 2016 #106
Good grief and she is more prone to support laws that will encarcerate AA. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #109
I would look at the big picture but the condescending lectures have blinded me. bravenak Feb 2016 #110
So your closed mindedness and knowledge deficit are somebody else's fault. bvar22 Feb 2016 #122
Why would you say that to me? A knowledge deficit? bravenak Feb 2016 #123
How did he lecture you? He just asked a question ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #133
I done got a thousand lectures this primary. bravenak Feb 2016 #134
Could it be that people are trying to provide political information on a political message board? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #135
Naw. Why would that be it? Sounds crazy to me. bravenak Feb 2016 #136
And it was just a few months ago that you said you would NEVER forgive Hillary cali Feb 2016 #42
And then there are the PMs where she said she was just pretending to like Hillary. kath Feb 2016 #54
The BLM stuff was worse. bravenak Feb 2016 #57
BeahahahAhaha. Hillary is the one that threatened BLM activists cali Feb 2016 #101
Bernie did... NOTHING. bravenak Feb 2016 #102
Given that it wan't his event, it wasn't any of his business to do anything eridani Feb 2016 #145
No. I dont bravenak Feb 2016 #146
Not at an event beloning to a coalition of organizations. eridani Feb 2016 #148
Ok he can only fight when the time is right bravenak Feb 2016 #149
"Fighting" = pre-empting and running roughshod over an independent organization's-- eridani Feb 2016 #151
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #153
. bravenak Feb 2016 #154
What has she done to address issues in the Black community DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #43
She hires. bravenak Feb 2016 #71
She also cluster bombs them Arazi Feb 2016 #74
None of that has anything to do with my subject. bravenak Feb 2016 #75
Still deflecting and refusing to answer I see Arazi Feb 2016 #77
And still here. bravenak Feb 2016 #78
I'm disabled for a while so I've got oodles of time Arazi Feb 2016 #81
Sorry you're in pain. bravenak Feb 2016 #87
Yes I knew it was mean Bernie supporters Arazi Feb 2016 #89
I just like rubbing it in that black votes matter. bravenak Feb 2016 #91
Well rub away. They do matter and it bears repeating eom Arazi Feb 2016 #99
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #155
Or in 1992 When bernie voted yes on the crime bill? bravenak Feb 2016 #156
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #158
Oooooh! bravenak Feb 2016 #160
She puts up a good front. But she supports the rich and the rich are the ones that have created rhett o rick Feb 2016 #107
I guess he should have thought of optics. bravenak Feb 2016 #108
Do you understand that we are involved in a class war and Hillary Clinton and her $50,000,000 rhett o rick Feb 2016 #111
I understand we are involved in a fight against white supremacist beliefs and the system bravenak Feb 2016 #112
If you were looking to get hired by the Sanders campaign sahel Feb 2016 #127
Hillary said black youth need to be "brought to heel" Arazi Feb 2016 #45
I accept her apology. bravenak Feb 2016 #47
Can you provide evidence of that apology? Arazi Feb 2016 #50
You can find it. It's easy! bravenak Feb 2016 #52
Nope. Didn't come up on google. You'll need to provide that please Arazi Feb 2016 #53
No thanks! bravenak Feb 2016 #56
She never apologized and you're making it up that she did Arazi Feb 2016 #58
Whatevs. bravenak Feb 2016 #59
On another thread, we were discussing the crime bill... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #76
Fiiiiiiiine! God! Sheesh! bravenak Feb 2016 #79
King seems to know more about this than you do. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #143
Yeah right bravenak Feb 2016 #144
There are valid reasons why many African American and other voters do not support Sanders Gothmog Feb 2016 #41
We notice he has issues with Obama and does not seems pleased with his presidency bravenak Feb 2016 #48
With Prof. West as a surrogate, it is not hard to miss Gothmog Feb 2016 #69
West is the worst surrogate for him to make inroads with us bravenak Feb 2016 #70
I agree Gothmog Feb 2016 #129
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #157
President Obama is NOT a progressive! So why on Earth should Bernie be expected to call him one? Utopian Leftist Feb 2016 #65
Sanders can call President Obama anything he wants to call him Gothmog Feb 2016 #68
I do not consider Obama a "bad" President, myself. Utopian Leftist Feb 2016 #85
The preception is that many Sanders supporters and surrogates do not share your view Gothmog Feb 2016 #88
@ Gothmog serbbral Feb 2016 #139
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #90
Preach it! avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #93
K&R liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #113
K&R Duval Feb 2016 #118
That's got to sting Babel_17 Feb 2016 #119
Do you want to predict the results in South Carolina? Gothmog Feb 2016 #130
Someone in Bernie's campaign watoos Feb 2016 #131
Apparently, black people like privatized prisons eridani Feb 2016 #147
kickety-kick kath Feb 2016 #141
Kick. Since HRC only got 52% of the POC vote yesterday kath Feb 2016 #142
agree mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #150
K&R dchill Feb 2016 #152
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»King: The idea of an Afri...»Reply #88