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In reply to the discussion: King: The idea of an African-American firewall for Hillary Clinton is deeply insulting [View all]Gothmog
(146,190 posts)88. The preception is that many Sanders supporters and surrogates do not share your view
Prof. West for example does not attempt to hide his dislike and contempt for President Obama which is not helping Sanders outreach with African American and other democratic voters. I find that I am also in agreement with Barney Franks' assessment of Sanders http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/three-reasons-why-things-will-get-harder-for-bernie-sanders-213591
Nor does President Barack Obama escape. While he does not explicitly attack the president, nowhere in Sanders campaign rhetoric is there any positive assessment of his record. His listeners do not hear that the Affordable Care Act was a great advance and must be protected as he and others try to go beyond it. They dont hear that getting the top tax rate back up to where it was before Bush lowered it meant a real increase in tax fairness.
Many congressional Democrats, myself included, feel deep resentment at this wholly negative portrayal of our efforts. First, it is a prime example of how inattention has helped Sanders until now. Commentators have made a point of noting the lack of congressional support for Cruz, legitimately drawing negative inferences from the fact that his closest colleagues are essentially rejecting him. But little notice has been taken of the fact that Sanders does scarcely better: Cruz has one House supporter as I write; Sanders has two.
Why dont their colleagues back them? In part, of course, its out of fear theyll be weak in November. In Cruzs case, this is also reinforced by a more strongly expressed personal dislike than I can remember attaching to any other member of Congress. With Sanders, the deeper problem isnt personal; its the feeling that his approach to the very issue by which he defines himselfhow to bring about fundamental progress toward a fairer societymakes it less likely that we will succeed in doing so.
This concern is as strong on the left wing of the congressional party as it is in the center. And it is deeply felt as well by the major advocacy groups that worked alongside us in achieving what progress we have won. No, Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign are not resisters of change. Neither is John Lewis, or the other Congressional Black Caucus members who are campaigning for Clinton, nor Tom Harkin, the leader in fighting for the rights of those with disabilities, nor Henry Waxman and Sandy Levin, who chaired the committees that wrote the ACA in the House and who have written an article defending their work against Sanders. And while I concede pride of authorship may influence me, when my 2010 opponent was greeted by cheers on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange during our campaign, and major financial operators like Carl Icahn and David Einhorn maxed out to him to punish me for our legislation, I dont think any of them agreed with Sanders that Wall Street had somehow been regulating us.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/three-reasons-why-things-will-get-harder-for-bernie-sanders-213591#ixzz3zcSRXbh9
Many congressional Democrats, myself included, feel deep resentment at this wholly negative portrayal of our efforts. First, it is a prime example of how inattention has helped Sanders until now. Commentators have made a point of noting the lack of congressional support for Cruz, legitimately drawing negative inferences from the fact that his closest colleagues are essentially rejecting him. But little notice has been taken of the fact that Sanders does scarcely better: Cruz has one House supporter as I write; Sanders has two.
Why dont their colleagues back them? In part, of course, its out of fear theyll be weak in November. In Cruzs case, this is also reinforced by a more strongly expressed personal dislike than I can remember attaching to any other member of Congress. With Sanders, the deeper problem isnt personal; its the feeling that his approach to the very issue by which he defines himselfhow to bring about fundamental progress toward a fairer societymakes it less likely that we will succeed in doing so.
This concern is as strong on the left wing of the congressional party as it is in the center. And it is deeply felt as well by the major advocacy groups that worked alongside us in achieving what progress we have won. No, Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign are not resisters of change. Neither is John Lewis, or the other Congressional Black Caucus members who are campaigning for Clinton, nor Tom Harkin, the leader in fighting for the rights of those with disabilities, nor Henry Waxman and Sandy Levin, who chaired the committees that wrote the ACA in the House and who have written an article defending their work against Sanders. And while I concede pride of authorship may influence me, when my 2010 opponent was greeted by cheers on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange during our campaign, and major financial operators like Carl Icahn and David Einhorn maxed out to him to punish me for our legislation, I dont think any of them agreed with Sanders that Wall Street had somehow been regulating us.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/three-reasons-why-things-will-get-harder-for-bernie-sanders-213591#ixzz3zcSRXbh9
I live in the real world and I have been following these issues closely. I do not see how better results could have been obtained and I doubt that Sanders revolution will either be realized or be sufficient to change things.
Sanders is a good person but I do not believe that the above results are worthless. You are entitled to support the candidate of your choice for any reason you select and I will support the candidate of my choice for many reasons including the fact that I admire President Obama and think that a great deal has been accomplished in the face of strong opposition. I am not willing to throw these results away in the hopes that some revolution will change things in part because Sanders has been making the same speech for years/decades and this revolution has never materialized
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King: The idea of an African-American firewall for Hillary Clinton is deeply insulting [View all]
eridani
Feb 2016
OP
Trying to divide the black population to pay for your FREE stuff. Shame on you.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#18
Her divisive posture on Obama, MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, and others weren't enough?
TheBlackAdder
Feb 2016
#32
I'm neutral, but being a poli-sci continuing ed student, I'm seeing things that are affecting that!
TheBlackAdder
Feb 2016
#66
I miss Olbermann. Thank goodness Bernie saved us from being stuck with Hillary
johnlucas
Feb 2016
#121
If Hillary can lose half the white vote, I'm sure shes quite capable of losing half the black vote!
reformist2
Feb 2016
#2
Just invite her to your community. Eventually she alienates everyone who isn't exactly like her.
reformist2
Feb 2016
#46
That is new to me as well and I thought I had heard it all coming from her. nt
m-lekktor
Feb 2016
#25
Addressing the causes though takes empathy and might not be profitable in the short term.
polly7
Feb 2016
#98
WOW!!! Hillary is Done! This is the Age of the Internet! Can't hide behind lies anymore
johnlucas
Feb 2016
#124
Then email it. Make homemade CDs. Play it on your phone for somebody. We gotta spread this message!
johnlucas
Feb 2016
#126
Hearing her speak on tour when this book came out was a major highlight for me that year
eridani
Feb 2016
#28
well one in this thread claimed that "super predators" was taken out of context. So there is that.
SammyWinstonJack
Feb 2016
#137
If she addresses their concerns, why can't she come out with a social justice platform
jeff47
Feb 2016
#36
So why can't she use that relationship to create a social justice platform that passess muster? (nt)
jeff47
Feb 2016
#39
No, but wouldn't someone with such a strong relationship be able to satisfy them? (nt)
jeff47
Feb 2016
#44
On what issues does she resonate with you over Sanders? You do realize that she supports
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#103
Your response says a lot. You did not say anything about what issues that you
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#105
Good grief and she is more prone to support laws that will encarcerate AA.
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#109
I would look at the big picture but the condescending lectures have blinded me.
bravenak
Feb 2016
#110
Could it be that people are trying to provide political information on a political message board?
Fantastic Anarchist
Feb 2016
#135
And then there are the PMs where she said she was just pretending to like Hillary.
kath
Feb 2016
#54
"Fighting" = pre-empting and running roughshod over an independent organization's--
eridani
Feb 2016
#151
She puts up a good front. But she supports the rich and the rich are the ones that have created
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#107
Do you understand that we are involved in a class war and Hillary Clinton and her $50,000,000
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#111
I understand we are involved in a fight against white supremacist beliefs and the system
bravenak
Feb 2016
#112
There are valid reasons why many African American and other voters do not support Sanders
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#41
We notice he has issues with Obama and does not seems pleased with his presidency
bravenak
Feb 2016
#48
President Obama is NOT a progressive! So why on Earth should Bernie be expected to call him one?
Utopian Leftist
Feb 2016
#65
The preception is that many Sanders supporters and surrogates do not share your view
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#88