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angrychair

(8,702 posts)
44. I'll take one of your points
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jan 2016

One that is important to me: college cost. I am drowning in it. I have been attempting to manage it most of my adult life and will until the day I die as I have no way to pay it off in my lifetime. I make "to much" to qualify for most payment programs and to little to actually make the payments they want without resorting to living on public assistance, which I likely wouldn't qualify to get either.



My bigger point I'm making is I wouldn't be in this position if we had done what almost every other nation (all first world nations) on Earth have done: free or near free university system through a progressive tax burden shared by its citizens. What HRC proposes is this:

"Provide grants to states that commit to ensuring that no student should borrow for tuition and improved affordability for other costs at 4-year public colleges and universities."
This is a sham proposal. Majority of states have teapublican governors and legislatures and requiring and getting their buy-in will never happen. If they are willing to refuse Medicare money, they will refuse to do this.

Not to mention that her proposal will have an additional burden on the poor and middle class by this:

"Families will be expected to make a realistic and simplified family contribution. Students will contribute based on wages from ten hours per week of work."
Requiring them to work and go to school, carrying a full load of classes and working 10 hours a week is very difficult for many, if not impossible, while being a successful student at the same time. Sure, people do it but it sure as hell isn't the ideal and no other 1st world nation makes they type of requirement of its students.

To make this short and sweet, I'll make it simple:
Sanders ask me, as middle-class, to pay a little more in taxes, in return we get paid family leave, free college tuition and universal healthcare. In return, I get to stay at home with my sick spouse without using all my leave or going into debt or both.
Send my kids to college without them or me burdened with crushing debt I can't pay.
No longer having thousands of dollars taken out of my check and paid by my employer to have comprehensive and nationwide health coverage. No more overloaded emergency rooms or medical debt bankruptcy (which, as an aside, contributed to riding healthcare cost).

Lastly, what, they (every other 1st world nation) can do it but we can not? Are they more competent? Capable? Committed? Is it because we are a bunch of special flowers? ("We're so special" and "we're so different&quot . It can work everywhere else, just not here. So special, we currently do it in a way that puts more money in only a few pockets and continues to burden low and middle-class families with a lifetime of debt?

STOP THE LIES

Unrec. Totally bogus. Agschmid Jan 2016 #1
- 10, down vote - HRC is a reACTIONary Jan 2016 #2
I certainly agree! Anyone who is awake should. pandr32 Jan 2016 #15
devoted her life to progressive chsnge. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author reACTIONary Jan 2016 #41
she is an evil hostile enemy of the people. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #43
Indeed, You did not... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #46
I disagree. Saying that is like saying Bernie wants to be the oldest President to take office. livetohike Jan 2016 #3
I am Woman! tazkcmo Jan 2016 #6
Enough times to fully understand the job of President and be successful at it. She has a coalition livetohike Jan 2016 #21
+10! And let's NOT underestimate the importance of... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #42
Honduras, Iraq, Libya, Syria--so inspiring! MisterP Jan 2016 #16
Looks like you have been watching FOX too long. n/t livetohike Jan 2016 #23
and experience. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #32
And tazkcmo Jan 2016 #4
So that she can tell the Russians that they can not fly over Sierra awake Jan 2016 #5
Status Quo my ass. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #7
I'll take one of your points angrychair Jan 2016 #44
Oh good, insult our f****** intelligence Dem2 Jan 2016 #8
Both candidates have won office and... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #9
You are sadly mistaken: Hillary has a radical agenda that is far worse than "status quo" FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #10
I see the "Bernie Busters" are out in full force. Must be some bad poll numbers coming soon. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2016 #11
Dear sir or madame, can you please disabuse me of the notion your premise has sexist overtones? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #12
The reason that I hear most from HRC is her need to break the last glass ceiling awake Jan 2016 #13
She has a B.A. From Wellseley, a JD from Yale. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #18
This is not about her sex! "Harold Clinton" wtf awake Jan 2016 #24
a large and heterogeneous state AlbertCat Jan 2016 #33
While I support Bernie that's an overly harsh analysis. nt el_bryanto Jan 2016 #14
Yes it does seem harsh awake Jan 2016 #19
I disagree with you in the strongest terms. KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #17
Obama at his worst has been INdemo Jan 2016 #20
Excellent OP, awake. Duval Jan 2016 #22
I agree and whith out that strong engagement Wallstreet will stay incharge awake Jan 2016 #25
Sir or madame, you introduced gender into our discussion. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #26
Yes it si not about gender awake Jan 2016 #28
Sir or madame, if it wasn't about gender DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #31
This post is about what I an hearing from each candidate awake Jan 2016 #38
I am not a Hillary supporter, but I don't think that this is fair. WIProgressive88 Jan 2016 #27
Wake up. They are both excellent candidates. Clinton is not the anti-christ. Nitram Jan 2016 #30
I could not agree more. BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #37
Well put. Rider3 Jan 2016 #34
Yes! hedgehog Jan 2016 #35
Hillary thinks this is a prize to be won Ino Jan 2016 #36
What an absolute crock! BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #39
You members of the Bernie Purity Police give me a large pain. Paladin Jan 2016 #40
And just why do you support a candidate pinebox Jan 2016 #45
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