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hunter

(38,417 posts)
37. What's your view of feudalism?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:34 PM
Sep 2013

I think the biological/anthropological view is probably closer to the truth than the classical historical view.

Records and documentation were for the 1%. Those scribes who were not "one-percenters" were writing to please their Lords and Masters and Patrons. The "one-percenters" were writing to please themselves. Just another "O" in the diary of Samuel Pepys.

The "history" of Europe, the one we learn in schools, is largely propaganda. The elites live in one world and everyone else has been overlooked.

I see it in my own family. Our casual genealogy is a fabrication. My surname is supposedly something Scots Presbyterian. My great aunt even got it all mapped out back to the Domesday Book during the eugenics fad of the 'twenties (very nice how that all works out for white protestants, isn't it?) and went so far as to live that lie. My grandfather knew different, that this myth of respectability began when some anonymous Catholic guy jumped ship in San Francisco, probably because he was tired of being flogged for insubordination. New name, new world. Undocumented immigrant. It helps to be a quick study. Give 'em what they want.

A similar thing happened in my mom's family. One of her ancestors was a mail order bride from Europe to the new Mormon settlement in Salt Lake City. Her fabricated genealogy impressed the rubes. But she didn't like sharing a husband so she ran off with a U.S. government surveyor. Her descendant were pretty wild too. One of them had an affair with a Mormon church official and had a kid. Our family knows that, but it's not in the records. So far as the Mormons are concerned she had a miraculous 11 month pregnancy while her husband was away on business on the East Coast. So my mom's surname isn't legit either.

The actual biological dad was a scoundrel himself. He claimed to be White Anglo Saxon. Please... he would have been at home in any photo of IRA members.



It got stranger when my crazy grandma died. She left detailed instructions about the way she wanted to be buried. The Funeral Director asked, somewhat befuddled, "She's Jewish?"

Not that we knew.



So far as I can tell my mom's family motto is just tell 'em you're a Christian so they don't pester you." Pagan, European Jew, Christian, Scandinavian... something. They lived in the wilderness. They never went to church or temple. They were all very good at being where the fighting was not. My mom's dad went so far as to be a pacifist during World War Two. They put him to work building Liberty and Victory ships. His other option would have been jail. My dad's dad was an Army Air Force officer who wanted to fly planes but they decided he was too valuable as a "fix-it" man to get shot at. Dashing young officer who got people deemed essential to the war effort out of jail.

Anyways, I think most of us carry the genes of people who did their very best to avoid becoming part of the historical narrative. Those unnoticed "Dark Age" feudal people were living their lives unnoticed, even making ball bearings, water wheel mills, and iron plows, all doing their best not to become part of the historical narrative.

Becoming part of the historical narrative is usually a bad thing.

Shhh I believe Laochtine Sep 2013 #1
Finally an answer! Small Accumulates Sep 2013 #2
Bwahahahahaha! progressoid Sep 2013 #3
Awe-inspiring! One's spirit soars. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #4
Brilliant, I literally laughed out loud! You won this thread, SA! Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #9
Granite? 46 miles from Wales? Coyotl Sep 2013 #12
The Stonehenge site was active for a long time, starting with timbers. hunter Sep 2013 #44
Interpretations are just that, not facts. Coyotl Sep 2013 #47
I hope you're not mistaking me for some kind of new-age interloper... hunter Sep 2013 #48
Knowing the shortest and longest days of the year, can be a powerful tool happyslug Sep 2013 #5
Isn't it amazing that what has been termed in the past as "stone age" cavemen Hestia Sep 2013 #6
Basic engineering is quite simple, also Longitude needs constant time to be effective. happyslug Sep 2013 #7
Engineering an aqueduct may look easy on paper, but without using modern Hestia Sep 2013 #14
Most Aquaducts were and are ground level happyslug Sep 2013 #15
Göbekli Tepe Coyotl Sep 2013 #13
have you seen "the mystery of chaco canyon"? an amazing documentary on this strange question niyad Sep 2013 #16
Venus is important because her path was tracked? aquart Sep 2013 #19
Looking at the stars was popular before the days of TV happyslug Sep 2013 #25
We've lost our way Cartoonist Sep 2013 #8
"The Dark Ages" was to eliminate intellectuals and impose a feudal system based on religion.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #11
The Dark Ages was a move to strengthen the lower classes and take power from the 1% happyslug Sep 2013 #17
You failed to mention the Church held authority as to who was considered to be "royalty".... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #18
Sure, because nobody with royal blood had ever been executed before. aquart Sep 2013 #21
During the Renaissance such executions were rare happyslug Sep 2013 #26
People were told the richer the king, the better off the kingdom.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #30
Again a Renaissance concept, we are talking about the Dark Ages. happyslug Sep 2013 #32
No, that "rich king being better for you" idea goes WAY back. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #34
Yes, you see it is the Ancient World, Ancient Eygpt, Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece etc happyslug Sep 2013 #35
Actually, you are claiming the Dark Ages was only "dark" for the 1%.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #38
If you read the history, the Church was NOT that independent at that time period happyslug Sep 2013 #39
"the Pope had to be loyal to the the Franks" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #40
What the POPE said and what the POPE wanted are and were TWO different things happyslug Sep 2013 #41
The Romans originally were after England's tin for bronze production.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #43
I do not see an anti-intellectual attitude in that time period happyslug Sep 2013 #45
While Europe under Christianity went through the Dark Ages, the Muslim World did NOT... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #46
Egypt were purged by the Romans happyslug Sep 2013 #49
Actually, the final blow to Egypt was when the "mad monks of Nitria" tore Hyapatia to pieces.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #50
I see you problem, you are of the Ronald Reagan School of History happyslug Sep 2013 #51
"you get your history from movies." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #52
I am sorry, movies are a bad source of history happyslug Sep 2013 #53
"I am sorry," Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #54
Sure they had, just not after a trial. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #27
Actually that is NOT a Dark Age concept, That is a Renaissance and Reformation Concept happyslug Sep 2013 #22
By "elected kings" don't you mean "warrior kings"? If you fought for the church you recieved title. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #29
The Church was quick to recognize someone rights to land, when he had troops all over it. happyslug Sep 2013 #31
Let's not forget tax collection and "tribute". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #33
Actually, that skit misses a problem happyslug Sep 2013 #36
1. Use grammar check or a good friend before you post long pieces. aquart Sep 2013 #20
No one likes the Dark Ages, they try to skip from Rome to the Crusades. happyslug Sep 2013 #23
People ignore it because there is so little believable history from it. Records just sucked. aquart Sep 2013 #24
I have tried to understand Feudalism, something that has been under attack for at least 600 years happyslug Sep 2013 #28
What's your view of feudalism? hunter Sep 2013 #37
That is one of the reason you often have to read between the lines happyslug Sep 2013 #42
I only wish to point out a failing in popular English: a jigsaw IS NOT a jigsaw puzzle HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #10
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