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happyslug

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25. Looking at the stars was popular before the days of TV
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:15 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:21 AM - Edit history (2)

Star watching is believe to have started with Shepherds watching their herds at night. Lacking anything better to do, you talked to other shepherds where the stars were that night. The movement of the Planets were seen to vary when compared to the other "Stars" (in ancient times the word "Star" could mean anything seen in the sky, thus the argument that the alignment of the Planets were the "Star" of Bethlehem mentioned in the Bible).

http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/1203.html

The above paper cites several such alignments for the Star of Bethlehem, but only later on mentions that there is growing scholarship that Herod died in 1 AD not 4 BC (Either date in possible, the records of his death is unclear).

Back to Venus. These Shepherds (and sailors, another group of men on watch during the night) saw the changes as the seasons changed. Why the stars "Moved" they did not know, but made up stories about why, stories relying on the best evidence they had, what they saw in the Sky.

From these observations the various Stars (i.e. the Planets) were given names of the Various Gods and an effort was made to make the stories of the Gods AND what their Planet did match up. If is unclear how what gods were tied in with what Planet, but most societies did it, again remember this is all pre-TV and pre-Street lights thus the stars were quite bright. Lack of anything better to discuss the Stars became a safe topic to talk about and this spread as Civilization spread and the need to have increase safe topics to talk about increased along with the population.

Thus by the time we have writing, these Stars and the gods associated with them were already quite old, People knew the movement of such stars, and people studies such stars to try to determine the will of the gods. Thus Venus became known for a Pentagram for that is what the Planet Venus does. Why the goddess Venus does this was unknown, but explanations were made. That Venus was associated with the raising and setting of the sun made it important, seeing Venus meant your watch at night was almost over. That seems to be why Venus became so important in the days before watches.

Worse, Venus was considered to be two different planets for Centuries, one at sunset, the other as sun raise.

Venus was known to ancient civilizations both as the "morning star" and as the "evening star", names that reflect the early understanding that these were two separate objects. The Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, dated 1581 BCE, shows the Babylonians understood the two were a single object, referred to in the tablet as the "bright queen of the sky", and could support this view with detailed observations.The Greeks thought of the two as separate stars, Phosphorus and Hesperus, until the time of Pythagoras in the sixth century BC. The Romans designated the morning aspect of Venus as Lucifer, literally "Light-Bringer", and the evening aspect as Vesper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus#Early_studies

Thus the importance of Venus in the days before Watches was it showed that sunrise was NOT far off. That is important to people who want to start moving as soon as it is daylight (I.e. start packing with Venus, ready to move when Dawn breaks). It is important also to people during various night watches, it means their watch is almost over. Thus Venus was one of the more important "Stars" in the heavens for its rise indicated something useful to people who looked for it.

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Interpretations are just that, not facts. Coyotl Sep 2013 #47
I hope you're not mistaking me for some kind of new-age interloper... hunter Sep 2013 #48
Knowing the shortest and longest days of the year, can be a powerful tool happyslug Sep 2013 #5
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Basic engineering is quite simple, also Longitude needs constant time to be effective. happyslug Sep 2013 #7
Engineering an aqueduct may look easy on paper, but without using modern Hestia Sep 2013 #14
Most Aquaducts were and are ground level happyslug Sep 2013 #15
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have you seen "the mystery of chaco canyon"? an amazing documentary on this strange question niyad Sep 2013 #16
Venus is important because her path was tracked? aquart Sep 2013 #19
Looking at the stars was popular before the days of TV happyslug Sep 2013 #25
We've lost our way Cartoonist Sep 2013 #8
"The Dark Ages" was to eliminate intellectuals and impose a feudal system based on religion.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #11
The Dark Ages was a move to strengthen the lower classes and take power from the 1% happyslug Sep 2013 #17
You failed to mention the Church held authority as to who was considered to be "royalty".... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #18
Sure, because nobody with royal blood had ever been executed before. aquart Sep 2013 #21
During the Renaissance such executions were rare happyslug Sep 2013 #26
People were told the richer the king, the better off the kingdom.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #30
Again a Renaissance concept, we are talking about the Dark Ages. happyslug Sep 2013 #32
No, that "rich king being better for you" idea goes WAY back. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #34
Yes, you see it is the Ancient World, Ancient Eygpt, Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece etc happyslug Sep 2013 #35
Actually, you are claiming the Dark Ages was only "dark" for the 1%.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #38
If you read the history, the Church was NOT that independent at that time period happyslug Sep 2013 #39
"the Pope had to be loyal to the the Franks" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #40
What the POPE said and what the POPE wanted are and were TWO different things happyslug Sep 2013 #41
The Romans originally were after England's tin for bronze production.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #43
I do not see an anti-intellectual attitude in that time period happyslug Sep 2013 #45
While Europe under Christianity went through the Dark Ages, the Muslim World did NOT... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #46
Egypt were purged by the Romans happyslug Sep 2013 #49
Actually, the final blow to Egypt was when the "mad monks of Nitria" tore Hyapatia to pieces.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #50
I see you problem, you are of the Ronald Reagan School of History happyslug Sep 2013 #51
"you get your history from movies." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #52
I am sorry, movies are a bad source of history happyslug Sep 2013 #53
"I am sorry," Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #54
Sure they had, just not after a trial. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #27
Actually that is NOT a Dark Age concept, That is a Renaissance and Reformation Concept happyslug Sep 2013 #22
By "elected kings" don't you mean "warrior kings"? If you fought for the church you recieved title. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #29
The Church was quick to recognize someone rights to land, when he had troops all over it. happyslug Sep 2013 #31
Let's not forget tax collection and "tribute". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #33
Actually, that skit misses a problem happyslug Sep 2013 #36
1. Use grammar check or a good friend before you post long pieces. aquart Sep 2013 #20
No one likes the Dark Ages, they try to skip from Rome to the Crusades. happyslug Sep 2013 #23
People ignore it because there is so little believable history from it. Records just sucked. aquart Sep 2013 #24
I have tried to understand Feudalism, something that has been under attack for at least 600 years happyslug Sep 2013 #28
What's your view of feudalism? hunter Sep 2013 #37
That is one of the reason you often have to read between the lines happyslug Sep 2013 #42
I only wish to point out a failing in popular English: a jigsaw IS NOT a jigsaw puzzle HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #10
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