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happyslug

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5. Knowing the shortest and longest days of the year, can be a powerful tool
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 04:03 PM
Sep 2013

From that calculation you can estimate when birds will migrate, when the frost will stop (and re-start), what crop is coming into season when etc. You be surprise what occurs on about what date, with the real dating time is from winter and summer solstice.

Errors can creep into any calendar. The Ancient Roman Calendar was so bad, Politicians would add and subtract days for Political reasons (delay an election, speed up an election etc). Egypt seems to have had a calendar that worked, but it was a deep dark secret till Julius Caesar decided to adopt it as the New Calendar for the Roman Empire, but that calendar is a product of the invention of numbers and the modern concept of "Month" that is independent of the moon (Original definition of Month was 28 days, the number of days in a moon's monthly cycle, but even it is not exactly 28 days, but 29.53 days thus 30 days is more accurate but not that much more accurate).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase

Once your understand that the Moon Cycle, Sun Cycle and Earth days are NOT compatible and can not be used to determine the start of any year, the start of any year become very IMPORTANT . The Winter and Summer Solstice ARE the start of the year and with that knowledge and the ability to count to 180 gives the person who holds that power the sole ability to ACCURATELY determine when the birds will fly NORTH and SOUTH, when the frosts will end (and begin), when what crop will come into season (and with that knowledge what game will move to what area).

Knowledge is power and being able to predict ACCURATELY the start of summer and the start of winter, once it became known HOW to do it (Someone made that observation on seeing the ice melt) maintaining that KNOWLEDGE became all important. Thus as the ice melted, it remains was probably marked with small rocks. Then the huge wooden temple once the area became warm enough to support trees. Then Stone as the site itself became more and more important.

Thus the real question is NOT why Stonehenge developed but why was it abandoned? From the Ice Age till its abandonment it was the center of not only British Culture but apparently all of North Western Europe (including Modern Northern France and Germany).

Stonehenge was probably abandoned at the start of the Iron Age, as trade routes shifted from the Stone, Copper and Bronze of earlier times to Iron. This shift in trade routes seems to have undone the social structure that supported Stonehenge and lead to its abandonment. While they are indications of later use (Roman coins have been found at Stonehenge), these all seem to be the product of tourists coming to see the ancient ruin, not people actually using Stonehenge as an observatory or even a temple (The Romans were highly anti-Druid, but no destruction of Stonehenge was ordered or recorded during the time period when Rome was destroying every Druid Temple in Britain).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge#Before_the_monument_.288000_BC_forward.29

Shhh I believe Laochtine Sep 2013 #1
Finally an answer! Small Accumulates Sep 2013 #2
Bwahahahahaha! progressoid Sep 2013 #3
Awe-inspiring! One's spirit soars. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #4
Brilliant, I literally laughed out loud! You won this thread, SA! Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #9
Granite? 46 miles from Wales? Coyotl Sep 2013 #12
The Stonehenge site was active for a long time, starting with timbers. hunter Sep 2013 #44
Interpretations are just that, not facts. Coyotl Sep 2013 #47
I hope you're not mistaking me for some kind of new-age interloper... hunter Sep 2013 #48
Knowing the shortest and longest days of the year, can be a powerful tool happyslug Sep 2013 #5
Isn't it amazing that what has been termed in the past as "stone age" cavemen Hestia Sep 2013 #6
Basic engineering is quite simple, also Longitude needs constant time to be effective. happyslug Sep 2013 #7
Engineering an aqueduct may look easy on paper, but without using modern Hestia Sep 2013 #14
Most Aquaducts were and are ground level happyslug Sep 2013 #15
Göbekli Tepe Coyotl Sep 2013 #13
have you seen "the mystery of chaco canyon"? an amazing documentary on this strange question niyad Sep 2013 #16
Venus is important because her path was tracked? aquart Sep 2013 #19
Looking at the stars was popular before the days of TV happyslug Sep 2013 #25
We've lost our way Cartoonist Sep 2013 #8
"The Dark Ages" was to eliminate intellectuals and impose a feudal system based on religion.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #11
The Dark Ages was a move to strengthen the lower classes and take power from the 1% happyslug Sep 2013 #17
You failed to mention the Church held authority as to who was considered to be "royalty".... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #18
Sure, because nobody with royal blood had ever been executed before. aquart Sep 2013 #21
During the Renaissance such executions were rare happyslug Sep 2013 #26
People were told the richer the king, the better off the kingdom.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #30
Again a Renaissance concept, we are talking about the Dark Ages. happyslug Sep 2013 #32
No, that "rich king being better for you" idea goes WAY back. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #34
Yes, you see it is the Ancient World, Ancient Eygpt, Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece etc happyslug Sep 2013 #35
Actually, you are claiming the Dark Ages was only "dark" for the 1%.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #38
If you read the history, the Church was NOT that independent at that time period happyslug Sep 2013 #39
"the Pope had to be loyal to the the Franks" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #40
What the POPE said and what the POPE wanted are and were TWO different things happyslug Sep 2013 #41
The Romans originally were after England's tin for bronze production.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #43
I do not see an anti-intellectual attitude in that time period happyslug Sep 2013 #45
While Europe under Christianity went through the Dark Ages, the Muslim World did NOT... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #46
Egypt were purged by the Romans happyslug Sep 2013 #49
Actually, the final blow to Egypt was when the "mad monks of Nitria" tore Hyapatia to pieces.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #50
I see you problem, you are of the Ronald Reagan School of History happyslug Sep 2013 #51
"you get your history from movies." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #52
I am sorry, movies are a bad source of history happyslug Sep 2013 #53
"I am sorry," Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #54
Sure they had, just not after a trial. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #27
Actually that is NOT a Dark Age concept, That is a Renaissance and Reformation Concept happyslug Sep 2013 #22
By "elected kings" don't you mean "warrior kings"? If you fought for the church you recieved title. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #29
The Church was quick to recognize someone rights to land, when he had troops all over it. happyslug Sep 2013 #31
Let's not forget tax collection and "tribute". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #33
Actually, that skit misses a problem happyslug Sep 2013 #36
1. Use grammar check or a good friend before you post long pieces. aquart Sep 2013 #20
No one likes the Dark Ages, they try to skip from Rome to the Crusades. happyslug Sep 2013 #23
People ignore it because there is so little believable history from it. Records just sucked. aquart Sep 2013 #24
I have tried to understand Feudalism, something that has been under attack for at least 600 years happyslug Sep 2013 #28
What's your view of feudalism? hunter Sep 2013 #37
That is one of the reason you often have to read between the lines happyslug Sep 2013 #42
I only wish to point out a failing in popular English: a jigsaw IS NOT a jigsaw puzzle HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #10
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