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H2O Man

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Mon Dec 18, 2017, 09:24 PM Dec 2017

One Dark Night [View all]




A couple of months ago, in an essay that I posted on DU:GD, I noted that a number of the people associated with Trump were setting the stage for a violent reaction to efforts to remove him from office. I note that there were no responses to my claim. Today, on “Morning Joe,” that very topic was discussed, and I'm pleased there people are paying attention.

That shift in attention may be because most people consider Fox News to be – and I hesitate to use this word – more “mainstream” than Alex Jones or Roger Stone. But I would suggest that forum members instead focus upon two things: the overlap between these two “news sources,” and particularly the audience that is being targeted with the “coup” message.

Let's start with the groups that the Southern Poverty Law Center identifies as posing a threat to our society. Consider what politician speaks their language. Is there a political figure that the Nazi-KKK-types believe reflects their interests? Shares their belief that President Obama, that atheist Muslim, was born in Kenya?

The 2016 republican presidential primaries was the first time this group participated in a meaningful way since 1964's republican primary season. And they were not coming out from under the rocks to support Jeb Bush, or any other mainstream republican candidate. Rather, they were excited by the candidate who gave voice to their hatred.

These are, of course, the same people who listen to Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, and Roger Stone. They are convinced that the “deep state” is attempting a coup. When Trump spouts nonsense, such as that the investigation into the Trump-Russian scandal is just the Democrats being sore losers, this audience is incapable of processing that the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation started when most people were certain that Clinton was on the road to an easy victory.

This, of course, is central to the Trump-Fox News effort to denigrate the FBI. While Democrats and others on the political left are wary of the FBI – generally for its past history – among that agency's many duties is coordinating with state and local police departments. As Democrats, we know that historically, those state and local police agencies – especially in specific regions of the country – have long contained members who are at very least sympathetic to those who believe the Bannon type of paranoid conspiracies.

And this creates the potential for violence. Keep in mind that the FBI (and some other federal agencies) do respect the SPLC. Thus, for good or bad, the response to the right-wing militia in a western state over cattle grazing on federal lands, was handled more delicately than, say, a demonstration outside the republican national convention.

We have a president who has not only called for the arrest and prosecution of his political enemies, but he has openly endorsed police violence against “suspects.” What would one expect from a guy who borrowed Nixon's infamous “law and order” banner during his campaign?

Donald Trump had but two goals in running for president. He wanted to change the tax laws to benefit his family and friends. And he wanted to be a historic figure, the most powerful man in human history. Things such as his dislike of “foreigners” (re: non-white human beings) was secondary. But his advisers, such as Bannon, want to burn the forest. Hence, their appeal to the arsonists on the right-wing fringe.

These people are not capable of accomplishing their wild designs, of course. They aren't going to lead a revolution. But they are dangerous, in the context of running over a women at a counter-protest, and other, similar cowardly acts. As we recently witnessed, these are people who supported a creep that preyed upon teen-aged girls, over a good man who prosecuted the murderers who bombed four little girls in a church.

As William Faulkner noted, “The past is never dead. It's not even past.” We are entering a tense period in America. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last. It's good to be aware of what the opposition is up to, and why they are doing it. One of our greatest advantages is that most of them aren't very smart. Another thing we have on our side is the law. And the Constitution.

Peace,
H2O Man
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One Dark Night [View all] H2O Man Dec 2017 OP
Donald Trump is goading all of them on.... kentuck Dec 2017 #1
I fully agree. H2O Man Dec 2017 #2
Well said as always, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2017 #3
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2017 #4
K&R. Marking for later. n/t ms liberty Dec 2017 #5
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2017 #6
"They aren't going to lead a revolution" because they can't. democrank Dec 2017 #7
Well said. H2O Man Dec 2017 #9
One question for clarification ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #8
I didn't mean H2O Man Dec 2017 #11
Ok, that makes sense ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #12
there's going to be violence if he's allowed to stay in office too Takket Dec 2017 #10
True. H2O Man Dec 2017 #15
The Dark Knight video is fitting in many ways. AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #13
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #16
I've been noticing violent threats being made at FreeRepublic for months. My first note is Feb 2017 Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #14
It is ugly, isn't it? H2O Man Dec 2017 #17
Wow these are scary coeur_de_lion Dec 2017 #18
Summer soldiers and sunshine patriots. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #20
I don't think H2O Man Dec 2017 #22
Funny! coeur_de_lion Dec 2017 #24
It is still hard for me to believe coeur_de_lion Dec 2017 #19
Paul Ryan H2O Man Dec 2017 #21
Oh dear God. coeur_de_lion Dec 2017 #23
You are saying, eloquently, what I have long thought. Trump is setting the stage for violence ... Hekate Dec 2017 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2017 #26
You Certainly On A Roll These Days Me. Dec 2017 #27
Right. H2O Man Dec 2017 #28
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