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In reply to the discussion: Why are people giving Bernie all the credit for Hillary's education plan? [View all]Ms. Toad
(34,177 posts)207. Breaking: Indian-American woman takes credit for Clinton's plan!
Last edited Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:04 AM - Edit history (1)
WASHINGTON, D.C Today, Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal (WA-07) and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) unveiled legislation to make public colleges and universities tuition-free for working families and to significantly reduce student debt.
Our young people are forced to make untenable choices: Going to college and taking on mountains of debt, or foregoing their college degree to work part-time or minimum wage jobs that simply wont allow them to build a future, said Rep. Jayapal. The College for All Act renews our compact with our young people. Were going to piece back together the broken promises of a broken American Dream, and give back hope and opportunity to the middle class and working families across this country.
Our young people are forced to make untenable choices: Going to college and taking on mountains of debt, or foregoing their college degree to work part-time or minimum wage jobs that simply wont allow them to build a future, said Rep. Jayapal. The College for All Act renews our compact with our young people. Were going to piece back together the broken promises of a broken American Dream, and give back hope and opportunity to the middle class and working families across this country.
https://jayapal.house.gov/media/press-releases/jayapal-and-sanders-introduce-college-all-act
Oh, wait, not just those two - but 20 others are illegitimately claiming credit, as well!
Jayapal introduced the bill in the House along with Reps. Bobby Scott (D-Va.), Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), Rick Nolan (D-Minn.), Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Mark Pocan (D-Wisc.), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Tex.), Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), Nydia Velázquez (D-NY), John Conyers (D-Mich.), Jamie Raskin, (D-MD), David Cicilline (D-RI), Peter Welch (D-Vt), Grace Napolitano (D-Calif.).** In the Senate, Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) joined Sanders as co-sponsors of the legislation.
** There are actually 19 co-sponsors in the House, even though the article only lists 15.
The reality is that bills come from a variety of good ideas from a number of sources. The best bills are massaged by a lot of good minds, so that what is introduced includes the best ideas everyone can think of - and it would be uncommon to expressly credit a candidate for proposals that ended up in a bill. The insistance that Sanders (but none of the other 25 individuals involved in creating this bill and introducing it into the house and senate) is somehow stealing credit for an idea that wasn't his is nothing more than relitigating the primary. That needs to stop.
Sanders is in the Senate, and has the ability to introduce bills. Cinton currently is not - and thus does not have the ability to introduce bills. When Sanders participates in introducing (or cosponsoring) legislation, we should be evaluating that legislation on the merits and supporting it or challenging it on that basis - not pecking one of two sponsors and 24 cosponsors to death because one of the sponsors happened to be in an acrimonious primary and his position during the primary isn't identical to what ended up in the bill.
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Why are people giving Bernie all the credit for Hillary's education plan? [View all]
pnwmom
Apr 2017
OP
I have said this before. I liked Bernie, but he is getting on my last nerve right now.
redstatebluegirl
Apr 2017
#1
Used to love him, was about his #1 fan, but he is not being helpful now. He's believing his own PR.
kerry-is-my-prez
Apr 2017
#130
Why isn't he introducing his own education plan -- the one he insisted was so much better than hers?
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#4
Or maybe criticizing her bill was just politics. He never really meant it. How about that? n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#9
Really?? I believe he did state he wanted to modify the MA plan and make it nationwide.
ATL Ebony
Apr 2017
#89
Then why doesn't he credit her, like Obama credited Mitt Romney for the ACA? n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#74
Because Obama was trying to point out the ridiculousness of looney toon idiot partisans...
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2017
#94
Nope. And the senators who introduced this bill are simply doing their jobs.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#201
Disqus user RoughlyPolished sums up the issue the best. It's worth a read.
TheBlackAdder
Apr 2017
#7
Im hoping its because they lost her email address and not to rob her of the credit.
caroldansen
Apr 2017
#11
This is NOW. A man is being given all the credit for a woman's idea. Are you fine with that?
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#14
I was hoping the Clinton '16 campaign could point me in the right direction. GOTV!
Iggo
Apr 2017
#27
He didn't credit Hillary. He just introduced the bill with his name on it, and people here
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#67
Really, why all the debate on what it's "called", who said what first, a man or a woman...
Heartstrings
Apr 2017
#131
You don't think people should have free college because you have to pay for others?
FDRsGhost
Apr 2017
#139
Sometimes I think Karl Rove is trolling DU-why all the criticism of Bernie,a great public servant
diva77
Apr 2017
#31
Bernie reminded us of his unfair attacks on Hillary when he attacked her just this week
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#98
Why would anyone be upset that our senators are introducing progressive legislation?
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#246
You should notify Chuck Schumer and/or the Democratic Party Senate Leadership page webmaster
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2017
#118
people and their alert happy tendencies here. Jesus. Both sides, stop it. fuck. nt
JCanete
Apr 2017
#151
He was criticizing Hillary just the other day, saying that she didn't address the concerns of
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#93
i agree with you and wish i could give your post a KICK and RECOMMEND!!!!!!
trueblue2007
Apr 2017
#259
What is typical is men getting credit for women's ideas. It happens every day in every sphere. nt
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#72
"Its a good thing that actual Democrats in office appreciate his efforts and are willing to work
MuseRider
Apr 2017
#105
Who cares who gets 'credit' for a plan that will never get a committee hearing, let alone a vote
geek tragedy
Apr 2017
#86
Could it be that he's in a position to actually introduce the bill?
FailureToCommunicate
Apr 2017
#91
pnwmom, I notice that there is no answer to that but, " just get over it"....
all american girl
Apr 2017
#160
Why doesn't he? Just this week he was criticizing her for not aiming her campaign
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#100
I think that Bernie is trying to push her plan because it may be more palatable than his. At least
secondwind
Apr 2017
#102
Not the point. Yes, in politics no ideas are completely original( like Univ Health Care) however
JHan
Apr 2017
#117
it is not the same plan. You know this. You know she changed it in July. Is it the same as that plan
JCanete
Apr 2017
#154
You're suggesting at some point Sanders didn't sell college for all regardless of income level?
JHan
Apr 2017
#159
This isn't incrementalism. Clinton could have simply put the disagreement to bed in the primary
JCanete
Apr 2017
#163
So do I. Nice try but no right back at you. Are you saying she WAS promoting free tuition for people
JCanete
Apr 2017
#168
Incrementalism was the cry from people who didn't like others trying to promote
JCanete
Apr 2017
#178
On what is he backpedaling? I don't get what you are saying he is backpedaling on.
JCanete
Apr 2017
#212
I know when I want to share credit? I call whatever it is by MY NAME! That thing is MINE MINE MINE
kcr
Apr 2017
#234
good post, thanks. And thanks to our Senate and House leaders who co-sponsored this bill.
JCanete
Apr 2017
#247
You're welcome. Everyone should be applauding their efforts at unity.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#252
Maggot is going to start a fucking war between China and NK, and this shit is what we're
onecaliberal
Apr 2017
#116
Flashback to July 2016: Sanders calls Clinton's education plan "a bold initiative."
klook
Apr 2017
#127
It is not the same plan. Clinton rolled out a new plan early July that was a compromise between
JCanete
Apr 2017
#149
You are so right, pnwmom. For centuries men have taken credit for women's ideas, discoveries
lunamagica
Apr 2017
#180
Lol. That blogger is full of crap. Warren, Harris and Gillibrand also got credit as cosponsors.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#200
Nicely done! You totally nailed it! Harris, Gillibrand and Warren also sponsored this bill.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#208
Better question: Will faux accusations of sexism against Bernie ever get old?
redgreenandblue
Apr 2017
#211
I admire dreamers, too. But reality has to play into it, otherwise it's just delusion.
kcr
Apr 2017
#224
what are you talking about? Based on what? Did he or did he not campaign for Clinton? Did they not
JCanete
Apr 2017
#248
Please please can we stop this? You know I was a passionate supporter of Hillary. My passion lead
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#225
You're fine. It's not as if Hillary is out there trying to stir shit up all the time
kcr
Apr 2017
#226
They would go away if getting along didn't have to mean Trumps shoved down our throats.
kcr
Apr 2017
#229