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Hortensis

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239. You should educate yourself. This post is really
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:42 PM
Mar 2017

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insulting and out of line. 70% of whites are "social conservatives?" Total nonsense.

However, most of the polling on this is highly misleading as almost all polls ask people to self-identify, instead of conducting expensive testing for true orientation. Since self identification correlates strongly with voting behavior, pollsters are interested in these numbers, even though they are very inaccurate in determining distribution of personality types, such as social conservative. Most notably, after 40 years of mass right-wing villification of liberals, liberals chronically and often drastically under-"identify." However, EVEN those inaccurate numbers do not come close to supporting your very insulting allegation.

Probably somewhere around 20% of Americans would be considered predominantly social/cultural/religious conservatives, and those are distributed roughly equally across all racial groups, blacks and the rest. Social conservatism is not a white phenomenon, but a human one.

Other conservatives would be predominantly traditional/temporal and economic, and the lot of them comprise roughly half the population. As we see every election these very ideologically divided days.

Very interestingly, cultures tend to be more conservative in hot climates and as they are closer to the equator; and conservatism tends to be stronger in individuals whose ancestors came from hot climates or closer to the equator. The same effects hold for liberalism somewhat stronger in cooler climates. This also does not support your...theory.

I have not read analysis of how global warming increases might be expected to affect the planet's political orientations, but much of the United States is very hot these days, and the hottest regions tend to be more politically conservative.

Btw, Avi Tuschman's "Our Political Nature" brings together findings from various academic perspectives on this.

I don't think I would generalize that far? kentuck Mar 2017 #1
I doubt it. Tobin S. Mar 2017 #2
You should educate yourself. This post is really Hortensis Mar 2017 #239
Where did you go after posting this drivel? snooper2 Mar 2017 #270
I agree with you. we can do it Mar 2017 #40
Living in East TN, it seems your findings are the same as mine. SharonAnn Mar 2017 #130
OP does not. Gives a percentage. treestar Mar 2017 #145
Thank God for the godless commie weirdos here on DU and elsewhere. POCs and the rest... brush Mar 2017 #186
of course you wouldn't heaven05 Mar 2017 #229
63% of white males voted for 45 Takket Mar 2017 #3
Comey's interference swung millions of white women over to Trump after they had leaned for Hillary wishstar Mar 2017 #22
That fact that her lead was small to begin with proves these are "normal white women." nikibatts Mar 2017 #27
Bullshit...What it proves is that women vote for similar reasons as men.. whathehell Mar 2017 #67
Lots of white women were put off by radical noodle Mar 2017 #247
Then that was a very, very easy swing. What did Comey say that was such an issue for those Squinch Mar 2017 #34
I don't think you can underestimate the impact of Comey's announcement. Chemisse Mar 2017 #85
I agree that his effect was enormous. It seemed to stop and reverse the direction of the momentum. Squinch Mar 2017 #90
I think that's a stretch. The Hillary bashing was nonstop. Her credibility was always questioned. we can do it Mar 2017 #103
Clearly anyone who voted for Trump had no problem with racism or sexism. Chemisse Mar 2017 #107
It did exactly that. we can do it Mar 2017 #141
What Comey's interference did was embolden the Hillary haters even more, mountain grammy Mar 2017 #126
This exactly. It was evident even here. we can do it Mar 2017 #138
The high percentage of white women BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #77
I was floored by that. That was like a betrayal. Squinch Mar 2017 #91
It was a betrayal. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #143
I still feel that BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #171
You have to remember that, on the whole, women are concerned with the same issues men are -- whathehell Mar 2017 #210
Yes, but the majority of white women overall voted for Trump. I am ashamed of my cohort. Squinch Mar 2017 #214
By a small margin.. whathehell Mar 2017 #226
So kind of you to offer your permission for my thoughts. Squinch Mar 2017 #227
Glad you're pleased, but I'm clearly unable to "permit" or deny anything to anyone here. whathehell Mar 2017 #234
I agree that you are unable to. Squinch Mar 2017 #252
Then why did you state otherwise? whathehell Mar 2017 #257
I didn't. I stated that you offered permission, which you did. I certainly never thought that Squinch Mar 2017 #260
The majority of college educated white women did NoT vote for him whathehell Mar 2017 #92
And the majority of single white women didn't either. n/t moonscape Mar 2017 #167
Exactly. whathehell Mar 2017 #200
That is a comfort .. BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #170
Clinton did get 54% of ALL women voting--but not enough of them were non-white mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #132
I am wholeheartedly in agreement BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #173
Of the ones that voted Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #175
this nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #238
Not surprising Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #277
You sound like an angry man. I understand to a point where you are coming from but you're wrong! caroldansen Mar 2017 #4
Yep tobefree Mar 2017 #26
No. Tobin is not wrong. As a white woman I wish he was, but he isn't. The numbers bear out Squinch Mar 2017 #30
Accuracy tobefree Mar 2017 #52
And as I have said elsewhere in this thread: those who didn't vote watched Trump for a year, every Squinch Mar 2017 #57
Maybe..... tobefree Mar 2017 #79
I accept the point of the lazy voter. But even there, that indicates a certain lack of Squinch Mar 2017 #83
What about all the PoC that didn't bother to vote or who voted for Trump? whathehell Mar 2017 #211
Yes, of course I am. They saw the same thing that you and I saw, and it was not enough for them Squinch Mar 2017 #212
Sorry, but PoC include Hispanics too whathehell Mar 2017 #231
Yep. But either their racism or sexism was so strong that it overrode even their own safety. Squinch Mar 2017 #232
Could be, so I guess it's not just us evil, or, as the OP believes, whathehell Mar 2017 #235
The OP never said it was. Saying that the majority of white people did the wrong thing Squinch Mar 2017 #254
Um, that's not what the OP said whathehell Mar 2017 #256
OK, then I'll amend my statement: the fact that there are racists and sexists in other groups does Squinch Mar 2017 #258
Ok, then I will restate my opinion -- one shared by most -- that this election was complicated and whathehell Mar 2017 #259
I agree. It was about racism AND sexism. Squinch Mar 2017 #261
Lol.. whathehell Mar 2017 #263
+1 yardwork Mar 2017 #198
69+million Rw trumpchump voters heaven05 Mar 2017 #242
Nope, and your figures are disputed whathehell Mar 2017 #96
No, not disputed. We may be using different sources but my numbers don't necessarily disagree with Squinch Mar 2017 #112
The OP didn't even bother with with stats or science.. whathehell Mar 2017 #122
First of all, I disagree that Trump's win was all about racism. The educated conclusion, whathehell Mar 2017 #146
They knowingly voted... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #179
Then you probably should ask why a full thirty three percent of Hispanic women voted for Trump whathehell Mar 2017 #196
Some GLTBTQ people and Muslims voted for him too... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #201
those hispanics are bigoted against other groups. JI7 Mar 2017 #222
That may be, but the fact remains that they were the most directly insulted whathehell Mar 2017 #225
and most hispanics did not vote for him JI7 Mar 2017 #248
No, I would think not whathehell Mar 2017 #249
What if you include white people who did not vote? Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #135
Well, what do you think it means if you watch a person spew racial and sexist hatred every Squinch Mar 2017 #177
Sorry I disagree. Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #191
OK. Squinch Mar 2017 #193
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #280
As a middle aged white woman, I have to disagree with you. yardwork Mar 2017 #195
White people are a huge problem for this country. I say this as a white person too. agenasolva Mar 2017 #251
love and hate, really? heaven05 Mar 2017 #240
About 70% respond to White Power talk bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #5
85% of statistics are made up on the spot Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #9
I did not refer to science bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #10
When you start to quantity observation Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #11
Awesome bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #12
Probably not. Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #13
don't know who that is bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #17
LOL I got the reference & it's 100% on point. Demit Mar 2017 #29
I'm sure it's hilarious bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #117
Um, you do realize that "personal hunches" have near zero credibility, right? whathehell Mar 2017 #114
Take this up with the original post bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #118
Lol.. whathehell Mar 2017 #123
I'd be happy to ignore white racism to discuss theories of knowledge bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #134
Lol, you would first need to realize that no legitimate discussion of racism ( or most anything) whathehell Mar 2017 #153
Personal hunches instead of facts elected nmp45. we can do it Mar 2017 #142
Bingo! whathehell Mar 2017 #147
! we can do it Mar 2017 #149
Back at ya.. whathehell Mar 2017 #154
Many RW memes have white supremacist origins MountCleaners Mar 2017 #28
The past ten years have seen a normalization of White Power/White Identity ideas in the bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #58
Um, no..Where have you "noticed" this? I'd say you either live in a very bigoted area whathehell Mar 2017 #73
Thanks. That's a really helpful comment. bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #78
I hope so, although, in fact, it was actually a question... whathehell Mar 2017 #88
Um, that's "opinion" not"fact". whathehell Mar 2017 #255
Makes sense ck4829 Mar 2017 #6
68 percent of Non-educated white MEN -- whathehell Mar 2017 #157
I agree with you Saboburns Mar 2017 #7
it's a majority of white men for sure . this is why they have no problem with Russia JI7 Mar 2017 #8
You don't remember the Cold War, do you? whathehell Mar 2017 #124
It's a new era treestar Mar 2017 #148
Attitudes don't change that fast, especially among Boomers who well remember whathehell Mar 2017 #158
this isn't the child war . putin is seen more as a right wing bigot JI7 Mar 2017 #161
What is the "child war"? whathehell Mar 2017 #165
And that says a lot about where they stand JI7 Mar 2017 #166
Russia is different from the USSR though treestar Mar 2017 #192
I doubt most of the RW are fully aware of that.. whathehell Mar 2017 #199
Apparently attitudes have changed. Turns out they don't care. yardwork Mar 2017 #203
Not necessarily apparent...At this point, It's likely more don't "believe" than don't "care" whathehell Mar 2017 #206
Bullshit melman Mar 2017 #14
Exactly we can do it Mar 2017 #43
Are you submitting this for peer review? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #15
Hahaha! I have a feeling I won't be seeing this in PLOS or in JSTOR anytime soon! TheBlackAdder Mar 2017 #283
Perhaps in the Journal of Irreproducible Results. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #284
Narcissistic deadbeat traitorous billionaire is NOT normal. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #16
But the white people who voted for him ARE the majority of whites. Squinch Mar 2017 #35
That doesn't make him normal among even those whites. tRump is not normal. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #61
It certainly means that they found him acceptable overall, and they found his faults to be something Squinch Mar 2017 #63
Acceptable and normal are two completely different things, as are desirable and normal. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #64
70% of white men voted for him. That would seem to define a norm. Squinch Mar 2017 #66
A norm for vote recipient in that group. NOT a norm for who they are. tRump is NOT normal. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #72
I don't think anyone is saying that Trump himself is the norm. I think the point is that Squinch Mar 2017 #80
The OP's bogus claim that 70% of whites are racist is bogus. It is NOT the norm. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #94
Lol. "I'm not saying he's a hater...but he's a hater..." No, I really have to disagree. Squinch Mar 2017 #106
I did not say "I'm not saying he's a hater...but he's a hater..." STOP diverting. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #108
I see from your post that you thought we were having a fight. I thought we were having a discussion Squinch Mar 2017 #113
most are racist and deplorable heaven05 Mar 2017 #245
According to actual interviews, of Trump voters, what Trump "stands for" is whathehell Mar 2017 #164
Why does that make them the normal whites? Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #223
Read the rest of the thread. This issue has been addressed a lot throughout. Squinch Mar 2017 #224
Still does not address your statement. 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #266
I do not know what the percentage is--70%, 80%, 60%--but Tobin is correct IMO mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #18
How does your epiphany account for babylonsister Mar 2017 #19
Here are the demographic breakdowns of the 2008 and 2012 Obama wins mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #21
Well....that and the Rooskies griloco Mar 2017 #47
Shhhh, please don't allow facts to interrupt such racial arrogance. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #33
Uh, yes, the facts of the demographic breakdown of voters mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #111
Except for your choice of "normal", I can see where you're coming from. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #20
It's melanin--the pigmentation that determines skin color--not melatonin which is a sleep drug. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #23
Thank you, corrected. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #24
I think you've put your finger on the source of so much rage. Chemisse Mar 2017 #99
This has been my thought for some time. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #125
covert,behind closed doors, nocalflea Mar 2017 #25
I find this to be an extremely racist and insulting OP. Why does DU tolerate such garbage ? Trust Buster Mar 2017 #31
If you could back it up with voter statistics it would not be hidden. Tobin's point is supported Squinch Mar 2017 #36
Bull. Tobin thinks he/she has the right to determine what constitutes a "normal white person". Trust Buster Mar 2017 #38
Whatever. I'm a white woman. I am able to look at the numbers without getting up on my high Squinch Mar 2017 #41
#Double Standard. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #44
In what way? If 70% of black men had voted for Trump, would you consider the Trump voter Squinch Mar 2017 #45
No, because not all of them vote. A large percentage of the country does not vote. we can do it Mar 2017 #48
Those who did not vote were not moved enough by Trump's raging sexism and racism to extend the Squinch Mar 2017 #54
Bad analogy. You left an important characteristic out - the word racist. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #53
No. We're probably going to get into the weeds here, but your analogy is incorrect. Squinch Mar 2017 #62
the average black voter was for Hillary over treestar Mar 2017 #152
I know that. I am trying to answer the poster who is saying that the fact that 70% of Squinch Mar 2017 #182
Oh yeah I know treestar Mar 2017 #190
Ditto! Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #84
Divisive posts like this serve no purpose here, exactly. we can do it Mar 2017 #93
Yeah..This is just a "Let's bash white people thread". whathehell Mar 2017 #102
In this case abnormal would be an honor treestar Mar 2017 #151
no bull, truth heaven05 Mar 2017 #246
You are correct. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #76
It's different talking about the dominant group treestar Mar 2017 #150
+1 hamsterjill Mar 2017 #221
I dunno... MountCleaners Mar 2017 #32
I'd rather listen to those who didn't vote. Drumpf voters bought him whole hog. haele Mar 2017 #156
This is racist, insulting bullshit. we can do it Mar 2017 #37
It's supported by the numbers from the election we just had. Squinch Mar 2017 #42
Bernie bros and non voters figured in? Cause I'm not buying it. we can do it Mar 2017 #46
A majority of white people who voted voted for Trump. The ones who stayed home didn't Squinch Mar 2017 #49
You must live in an unique area because the large majority of white people I know support Trump. wcast Mar 2017 #51
Northeast Ohio and Delaware. we can do it Mar 2017 #68
I live in a very blue city in a very blue state and a large majority of the people smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #163
What makes you think the White people YOU know are more reflective of the whole? Maybe it's you whathehell Mar 2017 #208
Not even half the eligible citizens voted sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #71
That does not disprove the point. We watched Trump spew his racism and sexism for a Squinch Mar 2017 #74
Just because a majority of his voters were white does not mean all whites are racist sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #95
I agree. And I agree that he accumulated racists. And I agree that not all white people Squinch Mar 2017 #189
Thank you. I agree completely. n/t whathehell Mar 2017 #262
The preliminary data on the 2016 election does show whites voting mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #116
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long luvMIdog Mar 2017 #39
Thank you. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #55
Yes. cwydro Mar 2017 #75
This post has got to be meant as parody oberliner Mar 2017 #50
Wow - I hope so. It's disturbing anyone would lump all white people into that pot. Vinca Mar 2017 #56
Very disturbing. All white people aren't truckers. we can do it Mar 2017 #89
Of course.. whathehell Mar 2017 #213
I don't think so. sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #97
I am not sure of your numbers but I had a conversation yesterday that confirms your observation. gordianot Mar 2017 #59
A lot of those very same white people voted for Obama bekkilyn Mar 2017 #60
This times 10000 we can do it Mar 2017 #69
That's not born out by the data. Squinch Mar 2017 #70
no they didn't. JI7 Mar 2017 #250
This "Obama is unAmerican" crap... MountCleaners Mar 2017 #65
so you now look at me with distrust. Thanks for that. elias7 Mar 2017 #81
If 70% of black men had just voted for a person who made it clear that he thought that Squinch Mar 2017 #87
Probably not, but that's the point. It's not whites per se. It's the majority race of any culture. elias7 Mar 2017 #233
The 70% number is for non-college educated men. Other white demographics vary from 50% Squinch Mar 2017 #264
What I mean is I think this is tribal human behavior when threatened elias7 Mar 2017 #267
In what way are white people more indigenous than other citizens? What makes you think Squinch Mar 2017 #268
I think you're misunderstanding my larger point elias7 Mar 2017 #269
I do understand your larger point. And history does not bear it out. In fact, if you were Squinch Mar 2017 #285
No you haven't....You're using normal as code for "Racist" whathehell Mar 2017 #82
What the everloving fuck? bunnies Mar 2017 #86
Thank you. Big mouth men on CB (who the hell is on CB anymore???) equal white people?!? we can do it Mar 2017 #98
Right? bunnies Mar 2017 #101
Hugs to you, I'm making some coffee now. we can do it Mar 2017 #104
Me too. bunnies Mar 2017 #105
I get where you are coming from. dawg Mar 2017 #100
This is the most optimistic post in this thread. Yes, attitudes are changing. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #120
How great to read this post first thing in the morning! logosoco Mar 2017 #109
How do you handle Motownman78 Mar 2017 #110
Considering that only 55-58% of eligible voters actually voted in Nov 2016, Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #115
Thank you. Sick of this divisive crap. we can do it Mar 2017 #159
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2017 #169
This isn't who we are. Don't let this ignorant post keep you away. I'm a white female. we can do it Mar 2017 #174
I don't think a majority here agree with the OP.. whathehell Mar 2017 #243
That was an impressive rant El Viejo Mar 2017 #119
This is what I've been thinking for awhile .. ananda Mar 2017 #121
Um, guys, you know how they smirk and wink? raging moderate Mar 2017 #127
Pretty much ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #128
Yep. CanSocDem Mar 2017 #129
Ummmmmm, Bush the first? we can do it Mar 2017 #140
I wouldn't say 70%. More like 60%. BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #131
Excellent post Blecht Mar 2017 #133
We can argue about statistics and broad brushes all day long mountain grammy Mar 2017 #136
The problem is that they -think- they're the norm MountCleaners Mar 2017 #139
They may not admit it or even think they think it treestar Mar 2017 #144
LOVE the subject line. As the whitest of white people let me say underpants Mar 2017 #155
Interesting to find out that some random white truck drivers represent all Caucasians elehhhhna Mar 2017 #160
Mostly male I would venture as well. we can do it Mar 2017 #168
this nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #162
Are you trying to normalize the Trumpsters? Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #172
Thank you. Not normal. Not most white people. Lots of third party and non voters among whites. we can do it Mar 2017 #197
Yes, the anti-abortion people.... Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #204
Your post KentuckyWoman Mar 2017 #176
I don't think so. First you lost the many nonvoters. And you're limiting this to Americans. nolabear Mar 2017 #178
My experience has me agreeing with you. liberalmuse Mar 2017 #180
I hate to say I agree. Even the men I knew who disliked Trump were not worried about him to the bettyellen Mar 2017 #181
Once we're back in power, we need to outlaw normal white people. ileus Mar 2017 #183
Please tell me you aren't being serious. Else You Are Mad Mar 2017 #188
No ilius is being sarcastic. He has a stubborn case of "not all white men." Squinch Mar 2017 #202
Riiiiight.. whathehell Mar 2017 #236
White as in the KKK? nolabels Mar 2017 #184
What bothers me about this post is the use of the word NORMAL nini Mar 2017 #185
normal - conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. dchill Mar 2017 #215
I always think of this when I see 'abnormal' nini Mar 2017 #216
Yeah, or any picture of Trump. dchill Mar 2017 #217
yep nini Mar 2017 #219
I'm a normal white person. Trump is not. Bucky Mar 2017 #187
I am a white person. Without a lot of deep thinking on this ... KPN Mar 2017 #194
My black female boss (and friend) believed, and I quote, "Everyone is racist" including whathehell Mar 2017 #209
I took a class in college about the 60s from a Black point of view (I'm white) nini Mar 2017 #218
Racial identity is a driving force in American politics Yavin4 Mar 2017 #205
Racist tendencies tend to come out online and while voting Calculating Mar 2017 #207
You forgot how strongly normal white people are jmg257 Mar 2017 #220
What we are seeing is Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #228
im normal and im white and i hate trumps guts. but i am a white woman. so...is there a difference? samnsara Mar 2017 #230
a lot of the vote for boy-potus chump heaven05 Mar 2017 #237
Outstanding post Tobin liquid diamond Mar 2017 #241
This sort of thread makes me appreciate the trash thread feature. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #244
Most of my threads are trash threads Orrex Mar 2017 #275
Trump received approximately 27% of the vote. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #253
This MAY be true in various parts of the country but not in more populous areas. alarimer Mar 2017 #265
IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2017 #271
Well, that's a hell of a drive-by, at least. Orrex Mar 2017 #272
Yet it was amusing to see who was most offended. hunter Mar 2017 #273
I'M OFFENDED THAT YOU POSTED THAT!!!!!!!! Orrex Mar 2017 #274
You're not that far off. These people exist, and there's millions and millions of them. Iggo Mar 2017 #276
Interesting observations Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #278
Most white people are in denial. Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #279
No offense but Egnever Mar 2017 #281
You're metaphysics studies are beginning to make a difference lunatica Mar 2017 #282
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