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Bernardo de La Paz

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61. That doesn't make him normal among even those whites. tRump is not normal. . . . . nt

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I've finally figured out normal white people. [View all] Tobin S. Mar 2017 OP

I don't think I would generalize that far? kentuck Mar 2017 #1

I doubt it. Tobin S. Mar 2017 #2

You should educate yourself. This post is really Hortensis Mar 2017 #239

Where did you go after posting this drivel? snooper2 Mar 2017 #270

I agree with you. we can do it Mar 2017 #40

Living in East TN, it seems your findings are the same as mine. SharonAnn Mar 2017 #130

OP does not. Gives a percentage. treestar Mar 2017 #145

Thank God for the godless commie weirdos here on DU and elsewhere. POCs and the rest... brush Mar 2017 #186

of course you wouldn't heaven05 Mar 2017 #229

63% of white males voted for 45 Takket Mar 2017 #3

Comey's interference swung millions of white women over to Trump after they had leaned for Hillary wishstar Mar 2017 #22

That fact that her lead was small to begin with proves these are "normal white women." nikibatts Mar 2017 #27

Bullshit...What it proves is that women vote for similar reasons as men.. whathehell Mar 2017 #67

Lots of white women were put off by radical noodle Mar 2017 #247

Then that was a very, very easy swing. What did Comey say that was such an issue for those Squinch Mar 2017 #34

I don't think you can underestimate the impact of Comey's announcement. Chemisse Mar 2017 #85

I agree that his effect was enormous. It seemed to stop and reverse the direction of the momentum. Squinch Mar 2017 #90

I think that's a stretch. The Hillary bashing was nonstop. Her credibility was always questioned. we can do it Mar 2017 #103

Clearly anyone who voted for Trump had no problem with racism or sexism. Chemisse Mar 2017 #107

It did exactly that. we can do it Mar 2017 #141

What Comey's interference did was embolden the Hillary haters even more, mountain grammy Mar 2017 #126

This exactly. It was evident even here. we can do it Mar 2017 #138

The high percentage of white women BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #77

I was floored by that. That was like a betrayal. Squinch Mar 2017 #91

It was a betrayal. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #143

I still feel that BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #171

You have to remember that, on the whole, women are concerned with the same issues men are -- whathehell Mar 2017 #210

Yes, but the majority of white women overall voted for Trump. I am ashamed of my cohort. Squinch Mar 2017 #214

By a small margin.. whathehell Mar 2017 #226

So kind of you to offer your permission for my thoughts. Squinch Mar 2017 #227

Glad you're pleased, but I'm clearly unable to "permit" or deny anything to anyone here. whathehell Mar 2017 #234

I agree that you are unable to. Squinch Mar 2017 #252

Then why did you state otherwise? whathehell Mar 2017 #257

I didn't. I stated that you offered permission, which you did. I certainly never thought that Squinch Mar 2017 #260

The majority of college educated white women did NoT vote for him whathehell Mar 2017 #92

And the majority of single white women didn't either. n/t moonscape Mar 2017 #167

Exactly. whathehell Mar 2017 #200

That is a comfort .. BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #170

Clinton did get 54% of ALL women voting--but not enough of them were non-white mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #132

I am wholeheartedly in agreement BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #173

Of the ones that voted Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #175

this nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #238

Not surprising Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #277

You sound like an angry man. I understand to a point where you are coming from but you're wrong! caroldansen Mar 2017 #4

Yep tobefree Mar 2017 #26

No. Tobin is not wrong. As a white woman I wish he was, but he isn't. The numbers bear out Squinch Mar 2017 #30

Accuracy tobefree Mar 2017 #52

And as I have said elsewhere in this thread: those who didn't vote watched Trump for a year, every Squinch Mar 2017 #57

Maybe..... tobefree Mar 2017 #79

I accept the point of the lazy voter. But even there, that indicates a certain lack of Squinch Mar 2017 #83

What about all the PoC that didn't bother to vote or who voted for Trump? whathehell Mar 2017 #211

Yes, of course I am. They saw the same thing that you and I saw, and it was not enough for them Squinch Mar 2017 #212

Sorry, but PoC include Hispanics too whathehell Mar 2017 #231

Yep. But either their racism or sexism was so strong that it overrode even their own safety. Squinch Mar 2017 #232

Could be, so I guess it's not just us evil, or, as the OP believes, whathehell Mar 2017 #235

The OP never said it was. Saying that the majority of white people did the wrong thing Squinch Mar 2017 #254

Um, that's not what the OP said whathehell Mar 2017 #256

OK, then I'll amend my statement: the fact that there are racists and sexists in other groups does Squinch Mar 2017 #258

Ok, then I will restate my opinion -- one shared by most -- that this election was complicated and whathehell Mar 2017 #259

I agree. It was about racism AND sexism. Squinch Mar 2017 #261

Lol.. whathehell Mar 2017 #263

+1 yardwork Mar 2017 #198

69+million Rw trumpchump voters heaven05 Mar 2017 #242

Nope, and your figures are disputed whathehell Mar 2017 #96

No, not disputed. We may be using different sources but my numbers don't necessarily disagree with Squinch Mar 2017 #112

The OP didn't even bother with with stats or science.. whathehell Mar 2017 #122

First of all, I disagree that Trump's win was all about racism. The educated conclusion, whathehell Mar 2017 #146

They knowingly voted... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #179

Then you probably should ask why a full thirty three percent of Hispanic women voted for Trump whathehell Mar 2017 #196

Some GLTBTQ people and Muslims voted for him too... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #201

those hispanics are bigoted against other groups. JI7 Mar 2017 #222

That may be, but the fact remains that they were the most directly insulted whathehell Mar 2017 #225

and most hispanics did not vote for him JI7 Mar 2017 #248

No, I would think not whathehell Mar 2017 #249

What if you include white people who did not vote? Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #135

Well, what do you think it means if you watch a person spew racial and sexist hatred every Squinch Mar 2017 #177

Sorry I disagree. Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #191

OK. Squinch Mar 2017 #193

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #280

As a middle aged white woman, I have to disagree with you. yardwork Mar 2017 #195

White people are a huge problem for this country. I say this as a white person too. agenasolva Mar 2017 #251

love and hate, really? heaven05 Mar 2017 #240

About 70% respond to White Power talk bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #5

85% of statistics are made up on the spot Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #9

I did not refer to science bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #10

When you start to quantity observation Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #11

Awesome bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #12

Probably not. Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #13

don't know who that is bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #17

LOL I got the reference & it's 100% on point. Demit Mar 2017 #29

I'm sure it's hilarious bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #117

Um, you do realize that "personal hunches" have near zero credibility, right? whathehell Mar 2017 #114

Take this up with the original post bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #118

Lol.. whathehell Mar 2017 #123

I'd be happy to ignore white racism to discuss theories of knowledge bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #134

Lol, you would first need to realize that no legitimate discussion of racism ( or most anything) whathehell Mar 2017 #153

Personal hunches instead of facts elected nmp45. we can do it Mar 2017 #142

Bingo! whathehell Mar 2017 #147

! we can do it Mar 2017 #149

Back at ya.. whathehell Mar 2017 #154

Many RW memes have white supremacist origins MountCleaners Mar 2017 #28

The past ten years have seen a normalization of White Power/White Identity ideas in the bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #58

Um, no..Where have you "noticed" this? I'd say you either live in a very bigoted area whathehell Mar 2017 #73

Thanks. That's a really helpful comment. bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #78

I hope so, although, in fact, it was actually a question... whathehell Mar 2017 #88

Um, that's "opinion" not"fact". whathehell Mar 2017 #255

Makes sense ck4829 Mar 2017 #6

68 percent of Non-educated white MEN -- whathehell Mar 2017 #157

I agree with you Saboburns Mar 2017 #7

it's a majority of white men for sure . this is why they have no problem with Russia JI7 Mar 2017 #8

You don't remember the Cold War, do you? whathehell Mar 2017 #124

It's a new era treestar Mar 2017 #148

Attitudes don't change that fast, especially among Boomers who well remember whathehell Mar 2017 #158

this isn't the child war . putin is seen more as a right wing bigot JI7 Mar 2017 #161

What is the "child war"? whathehell Mar 2017 #165

And that says a lot about where they stand JI7 Mar 2017 #166

Russia is different from the USSR though treestar Mar 2017 #192

I doubt most of the RW are fully aware of that.. whathehell Mar 2017 #199

Apparently attitudes have changed. Turns out they don't care. yardwork Mar 2017 #203

Not necessarily apparent...At this point, It's likely more don't "believe" than don't "care" whathehell Mar 2017 #206

Bullshit melman Mar 2017 #14

Exactly we can do it Mar 2017 #43

Are you submitting this for peer review? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #15

Hahaha! I have a feeling I won't be seeing this in PLOS or in JSTOR anytime soon! TheBlackAdder Mar 2017 #283

Perhaps in the Journal of Irreproducible Results. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #284

Narcissistic deadbeat traitorous billionaire is NOT normal. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #16

But the white people who voted for him ARE the majority of whites. Squinch Mar 2017 #35

That doesn't make him normal among even those whites. tRump is not normal. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #61

It certainly means that they found him acceptable overall, and they found his faults to be something Squinch Mar 2017 #63

Acceptable and normal are two completely different things, as are desirable and normal. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #64

70% of white men voted for him. That would seem to define a norm. Squinch Mar 2017 #66

A norm for vote recipient in that group. NOT a norm for who they are. tRump is NOT normal. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #72

I don't think anyone is saying that Trump himself is the norm. I think the point is that Squinch Mar 2017 #80

The OP's bogus claim that 70% of whites are racist is bogus. It is NOT the norm. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #94

Lol. "I'm not saying he's a hater...but he's a hater..." No, I really have to disagree. Squinch Mar 2017 #106

I did not say "I'm not saying he's a hater...but he's a hater..." STOP diverting. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #108

I see from your post that you thought we were having a fight. I thought we were having a discussion Squinch Mar 2017 #113

most are racist and deplorable heaven05 Mar 2017 #245

According to actual interviews, of Trump voters, what Trump "stands for" is whathehell Mar 2017 #164

Why does that make them the normal whites? Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #223

Read the rest of the thread. This issue has been addressed a lot throughout. Squinch Mar 2017 #224

Still does not address your statement. 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #266

I do not know what the percentage is--70%, 80%, 60%--but Tobin is correct IMO mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #18

How does your epiphany account for babylonsister Mar 2017 #19

Here are the demographic breakdowns of the 2008 and 2012 Obama wins mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #21

Well....that and the Rooskies griloco Mar 2017 #47

Shhhh, please don't allow facts to interrupt such racial arrogance. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #33

Uh, yes, the facts of the demographic breakdown of voters mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #111

Except for your choice of "normal", I can see where you're coming from. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #20

It's melanin--the pigmentation that determines skin color--not melatonin which is a sleep drug. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #23

Thank you, corrected. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #24

I think you've put your finger on the source of so much rage. Chemisse Mar 2017 #99

This has been my thought for some time. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #125

covert,behind closed doors, nocalflea Mar 2017 #25

I find this to be an extremely racist and insulting OP. Why does DU tolerate such garbage ? Trust Buster Mar 2017 #31

If you could back it up with voter statistics it would not be hidden. Tobin's point is supported Squinch Mar 2017 #36

Bull. Tobin thinks he/she has the right to determine what constitutes a "normal white person". Trust Buster Mar 2017 #38

Whatever. I'm a white woman. I am able to look at the numbers without getting up on my high Squinch Mar 2017 #41

#Double Standard. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #44

In what way? If 70% of black men had voted for Trump, would you consider the Trump voter Squinch Mar 2017 #45

No, because not all of them vote. A large percentage of the country does not vote. we can do it Mar 2017 #48

Those who did not vote were not moved enough by Trump's raging sexism and racism to extend the Squinch Mar 2017 #54

Bad analogy. You left an important characteristic out - the word racist. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #53

No. We're probably going to get into the weeds here, but your analogy is incorrect. Squinch Mar 2017 #62

the average black voter was for Hillary over treestar Mar 2017 #152

I know that. I am trying to answer the poster who is saying that the fact that 70% of Squinch Mar 2017 #182

Oh yeah I know treestar Mar 2017 #190

Ditto! Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #84

Divisive posts like this serve no purpose here, exactly. we can do it Mar 2017 #93

Yeah..This is just a "Let's bash white people thread". whathehell Mar 2017 #102

In this case abnormal would be an honor treestar Mar 2017 #151

no bull, truth heaven05 Mar 2017 #246

You are correct. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #76

It's different talking about the dominant group treestar Mar 2017 #150

+1 hamsterjill Mar 2017 #221

I dunno... MountCleaners Mar 2017 #32

I'd rather listen to those who didn't vote. Drumpf voters bought him whole hog. haele Mar 2017 #156

This is racist, insulting bullshit. we can do it Mar 2017 #37

It's supported by the numbers from the election we just had. Squinch Mar 2017 #42

Bernie bros and non voters figured in? Cause I'm not buying it. we can do it Mar 2017 #46

A majority of white people who voted voted for Trump. The ones who stayed home didn't Squinch Mar 2017 #49

You must live in an unique area because the large majority of white people I know support Trump. wcast Mar 2017 #51

Northeast Ohio and Delaware. we can do it Mar 2017 #68

I live in a very blue city in a very blue state and a large majority of the people smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #163

What makes you think the White people YOU know are more reflective of the whole? Maybe it's you whathehell Mar 2017 #208

Not even half the eligible citizens voted sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #71

That does not disprove the point. We watched Trump spew his racism and sexism for a Squinch Mar 2017 #74

Just because a majority of his voters were white does not mean all whites are racist sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #95

I agree. And I agree that he accumulated racists. And I agree that not all white people Squinch Mar 2017 #189

Thank you. I agree completely. n/t whathehell Mar 2017 #262

The preliminary data on the 2016 election does show whites voting mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #116

Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long luvMIdog Mar 2017 #39

Thank you. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #55

Yes. cwydro Mar 2017 #75

This post has got to be meant as parody oberliner Mar 2017 #50

Wow - I hope so. It's disturbing anyone would lump all white people into that pot. Vinca Mar 2017 #56

Very disturbing. All white people aren't truckers. we can do it Mar 2017 #89

Of course.. whathehell Mar 2017 #213

I don't think so. sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #97

I am not sure of your numbers but I had a conversation yesterday that confirms your observation. gordianot Mar 2017 #59

A lot of those very same white people voted for Obama bekkilyn Mar 2017 #60

This times 10000 we can do it Mar 2017 #69

That's not born out by the data. Squinch Mar 2017 #70

no they didn't. JI7 Mar 2017 #250

This "Obama is unAmerican" crap... MountCleaners Mar 2017 #65

so you now look at me with distrust. Thanks for that. elias7 Mar 2017 #81

If 70% of black men had just voted for a person who made it clear that he thought that Squinch Mar 2017 #87

Probably not, but that's the point. It's not whites per se. It's the majority race of any culture. elias7 Mar 2017 #233

The 70% number is for non-college educated men. Other white demographics vary from 50% Squinch Mar 2017 #264

What I mean is I think this is tribal human behavior when threatened elias7 Mar 2017 #267

In what way are white people more indigenous than other citizens? What makes you think Squinch Mar 2017 #268

I think you're misunderstanding my larger point elias7 Mar 2017 #269

I do understand your larger point. And history does not bear it out. In fact, if you were Squinch Mar 2017 #285

No you haven't....You're using normal as code for "Racist" whathehell Mar 2017 #82

What the everloving fuck? bunnies Mar 2017 #86

Thank you. Big mouth men on CB (who the hell is on CB anymore???) equal white people?!? we can do it Mar 2017 #98

Right? bunnies Mar 2017 #101

Hugs to you, I'm making some coffee now. we can do it Mar 2017 #104

Me too. bunnies Mar 2017 #105

I get where you are coming from. dawg Mar 2017 #100

This is the most optimistic post in this thread. Yes, attitudes are changing. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #120

How great to read this post first thing in the morning! logosoco Mar 2017 #109

How do you handle Motownman78 Mar 2017 #110

Considering that only 55-58% of eligible voters actually voted in Nov 2016, Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #115

Thank you. Sick of this divisive crap. we can do it Mar 2017 #159

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2017 #169

This isn't who we are. Don't let this ignorant post keep you away. I'm a white female. we can do it Mar 2017 #174

I don't think a majority here agree with the OP.. whathehell Mar 2017 #243

That was an impressive rant El Viejo Mar 2017 #119

This is what I've been thinking for awhile .. ananda Mar 2017 #121

Um, guys, you know how they smirk and wink? raging moderate Mar 2017 #127

Pretty much ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #128

Yep. CanSocDem Mar 2017 #129

Ummmmmm, Bush the first? we can do it Mar 2017 #140

I wouldn't say 70%. More like 60%. BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #131

Excellent post Blecht Mar 2017 #133

We can argue about statistics and broad brushes all day long mountain grammy Mar 2017 #136

The problem is that they -think- they're the norm MountCleaners Mar 2017 #139

They may not admit it or even think they think it treestar Mar 2017 #144

LOVE the subject line. As the whitest of white people let me say underpants Mar 2017 #155

Interesting to find out that some random white truck drivers represent all Caucasians elehhhhna Mar 2017 #160

Mostly male I would venture as well. we can do it Mar 2017 #168

this nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #162

Are you trying to normalize the Trumpsters? Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #172

Thank you. Not normal. Not most white people. Lots of third party and non voters among whites. we can do it Mar 2017 #197

Yes, the anti-abortion people.... Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #204

Your post KentuckyWoman Mar 2017 #176

I don't think so. First you lost the many nonvoters. And you're limiting this to Americans. nolabear Mar 2017 #178

My experience has me agreeing with you. liberalmuse Mar 2017 #180

I hate to say I agree. Even the men I knew who disliked Trump were not worried about him to the bettyellen Mar 2017 #181

Once we're back in power, we need to outlaw normal white people. ileus Mar 2017 #183

Please tell me you aren't being serious. Else You Are Mad Mar 2017 #188

No ilius is being sarcastic. He has a stubborn case of "not all white men." Squinch Mar 2017 #202

Riiiiight.. whathehell Mar 2017 #236

White as in the KKK? nolabels Mar 2017 #184

What bothers me about this post is the use of the word NORMAL nini Mar 2017 #185

normal - conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. dchill Mar 2017 #215

I always think of this when I see 'abnormal' nini Mar 2017 #216

Yeah, or any picture of Trump. dchill Mar 2017 #217

yep nini Mar 2017 #219

I'm a normal white person. Trump is not. Bucky Mar 2017 #187

I am a white person. Without a lot of deep thinking on this ... KPN Mar 2017 #194

My black female boss (and friend) believed, and I quote, "Everyone is racist" including whathehell Mar 2017 #209

I took a class in college about the 60s from a Black point of view (I'm white) nini Mar 2017 #218

Racial identity is a driving force in American politics Yavin4 Mar 2017 #205

Racist tendencies tend to come out online and while voting Calculating Mar 2017 #207

You forgot how strongly normal white people are jmg257 Mar 2017 #220

What we are seeing is Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #228

im normal and im white and i hate trumps guts. but i am a white woman. so...is there a difference? samnsara Mar 2017 #230

a lot of the vote for boy-potus chump heaven05 Mar 2017 #237

Outstanding post Tobin liquid diamond Mar 2017 #241

This sort of thread makes me appreciate the trash thread feature. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #244

Most of my threads are trash threads Orrex Mar 2017 #275

Trump received approximately 27% of the vote. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #253

This MAY be true in various parts of the country but not in more populous areas. alarimer Mar 2017 #265

IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2017 #271

Well, that's a hell of a drive-by, at least. Orrex Mar 2017 #272

Yet it was amusing to see who was most offended. hunter Mar 2017 #273

I'M OFFENDED THAT YOU POSTED THAT!!!!!!!! Orrex Mar 2017 #274

You're not that far off. These people exist, and there's millions and millions of them. Iggo Mar 2017 #276

Interesting observations Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #278

Most white people are in denial. Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #279

No offense but Egnever Mar 2017 #281

You're metaphysics studies are beginning to make a difference lunatica Mar 2017 #282