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karynnj

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21. It is not clear that Edwards, if he were VP would have met Rielle
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 03:36 PM
Apr 2012

or had an affair with anyone. If he did, it would be less a scandal than if it were the President - and the problem for Clinton was that he lied under oath about it. As VP, he could be pressured to resign and if he wouldn't, the President could very easily make him a lame duck - signalling that he would be replaced. (Given so many bad things that likely couldn't be stopped and the dysfunctional 109th Congress, I would guess that Kerry would not have been reelected, though he would have done substantial good. No one could know how bad 2008 really was going to be under Bush.)

I think had Kerry won, the two things that would have been different are that he would have handled Iraq differently - likely as he said in 2004. (That he spoke to Jordan, Egypt, France and Germany and got them to agree that they would offer to train Iraqis soldiers quickly in their countries suggests that he would have done this and had international support. That would have allowed him to deal with Afghanistan 4 years earlier than Obama - and there he was for something more limited than what Obama chose. The other thing is likely more important - he clearly would not have appointed Alito and Roberts - which moved the court right. He would have replaced a swing vote and a right vote with two people we likely would respect. There would likely be no Citizens United.

The fact that the incoming President would replace a conservative and a swing vote is possibly why 2004 was played on such an uneven playing field and the media allowed character assassinations of Teresa and John Kerry.

Not trying to make excuses for the guy, but didn't his affair and the baby come after '04 WI_DEM Apr 2012 #1
That's a finely-split hair WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #2
yeah. I think it's quite likely it never would have happened. cali Apr 2012 #5
He might not have the time even if he had the inclination...nt joeybee12 Apr 2012 #18
Well, who knows? It might have been somebody else, not necessarily Hunter WI_DEM Apr 2012 #9
Would not have happened, certainly not with Hunter/Druck unc70 Apr 2012 #10
Yes - his affair was late in 2006. I doubt his ego would've needed salve in 2006 if he was VP, and blm Apr 2012 #11
Good point about the loss causing this problem jenwilson Apr 2012 #29
I think he came to believe he was untouchable, so something similar probably would gateley Apr 2012 #6
I would be more inclined to wonder how many came before loyalsister Apr 2012 #37
You have stated the facts quite clearly, my dear Will. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2012 #3
It would have provided fodder -- "First Clinton, now Edwards". gateley Apr 2012 #4
think about what has recently been emphasized about Rathergate. grasswire Apr 2012 #7
They would have tried, but in reality just as it is the Obama administration, karynnj Apr 2012 #25
Even among those we like, even love.... DCKit Apr 2012 #8
I actually think Obama comes pretty close. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #13
Imagine if he had won the 2008 nomination . . . nt geek tragedy Apr 2012 #12
We would be working on the campaign to oust President McCain (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #14
Considering the events of the last four years I'd say we'd be looking Arkana Apr 2012 #24
I bigger issue for me is the fact that knowing all this he ran in 2008 ANYWAY.... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #15
That is the essence of his betrayal loyalsister Apr 2012 #36
What's your quota for "Fuck John Edwards" threads per day? DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #16
Thanks WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #19
"This is tactical thinking: cold, hard and unforgiving. But it is fact." calimary Apr 2012 #17
And the danger unionworks Apr 2012 #45
I never liked him. Kalidurga Apr 2012 #20
It is not clear that Edwards, if he were VP would have met Rielle karynnj Apr 2012 #21
Those are all very good points, karen. Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #40
I don't care about his sex life. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #22
The trial is refuting the allegations that Edwards violated FEC law unc70 Apr 2012 #28
No, this trial is about 2 sets of attorneys Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #32
by crossover unionworks Apr 2012 #46
"What he did puts Bill Clinton's indiscretions in deep shade" progressoid Apr 2012 #23
You might want to withhold your judgement of Edwards until after his trial unc70 Apr 2012 #26
Find in my post WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #30
What's the title of your thread, Will? Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #38
The word you clearly missed, though it was capitalized, is WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #42
You are right. Cleita Apr 2012 #27
I supported him until he shit the bed whatchamacallit Apr 2012 #31
John Edwards may be innocent. John Edwards may be guilty. BUT... bvar22 Apr 2012 #33
Well said. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #34
What you said bluedeminredstate Apr 2012 #35
Had he become vice president, no one would have ever heard of the girlfriend RB TexLa Apr 2012 #39
That makes it better. WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #43
What does she have to do with it? The girlfriend wouldn't have been a problem. RB TexLa Apr 2012 #44
I don't blame him a lot jcboon Apr 2012 #41
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