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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:00 PM Dec 2014

12 things to keep in mind on the Torture report [View all]

1) You’re not actually reading the torture report. You’re just reading an executive summary. The full Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report on the CIA’s interrogation and detention program runs upward of 6,000 pages. The executive summary is 480 pages. So you’re missing more than 80 percent of it.

2) The CIA got to cut out parts. The summary has been redacted – ostensibly by the White House, but in practice by officials of the CIA, which, lest we forget, is the agency that is being investigated, that spied on and tried to intimidate the people conducting the investigation, and whose director has engaged in serial deception about the investigation. The original redactions proposed by the White House included eliminating even the use of pseudonyms to let readers keep track of major recurring characters, and appeared intended to make the summary unintelligible.

3) Senate Democrats had their backs to the wall. Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein faced enormous pressure to get the summary out in some form, before the incoming Republican Senate majority could do the White House a solid and squelch it completely.

4) The investigation was extremely narrow in its focus. Committee staffers only looked at what the CIA did in its black sites; whether it misled other officials; and whether it complied with orders. That is somewhat like investigating whether a hit man did the job efficiently and cleaned up nicely.

5) The investigation didn’t examine who gave the CIA its orders, or why. The summary doesn’t assess who told the CIA to torture – despite the abundant evidence that former vice president Dick Cheney and his cabal architected, choreographed and defended its use, with former president George W. Bush’s knowing or unknowing support.

6) Torture was hardly limited to the CIA. In fact, the worst of it was done by the military. Want to read a quality investigation of the U.S. torture of detainees? Go read this 2008 report from the Senate Armed Services Committee. That committee’s inquiry didn’t just expose the horrific, routinized abuse of detainees at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, it also laid out a clear line of responsibility starting with Bush and exposed his administration’s repeated explanation for what happened as a pack of lies. For some reason, it never got anywhere near the attention it deserved.

7) Senate investigators conducted no interviews of torture victims. As the Guardian reported in late November: “Lawyers for four of the highest-value detainees ever held by the CIA, all of whom have made credible allegations of torture and all of whom remain in US government custody, say the Senate committee never spoke with their clients.”

8) Senate investigators conducted no interviews of CIA officials. As the Washington Times reported in August, committee staffers never spoke to either the senior managers of the torture program or the directors who oversaw it.

9) In fact, Senate investigators conducted no interviews at all. “We did not conduct interviews, but did make significant use of transcripts of interviews done by the CIA IG [Inspector General] and others during the program,” a Senate Intelligence Committee staffer emailed me recently. “That, together with the literally millions of pages of contemporaneous documents, emails, chat sessions, etc. make us confident in the accuracy and comprehensive nature of the report.” So it’s basically aggregation.

10) Bush and Cheney have acknowledged their roles in the program. Bush and Cheney have both publicly acknowledged approving the use of waterboarding and other abusive forms of interrogation that are nearly universally considered torture. Cheney said in 2008 that he was “involved in helping get the process cleared.” “Yeah, we waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,” Bush said in 2010. “I’d do it again to save lives.”

11) The report’s conclusion that torture didn’t do any good is a big deal. You may argue, as I do, that even if torture sometimes “worked”, it’s still immoral, criminal and ultimately counterproductive. As I wrote during the “Zero Dark Thirty” furor, torture is not about extracting information, it’s about power, revenge, rage and cruelty. It’s about stripping people of their humanity. Throughout its history, its only reliable byproduct has been false confessions. But the pro-torture argument is simple: The ends justify the means. So if the evidence is overwhelming that torture achieves nothing — or less than nothing — then we win the argument by default.

12) No one has been held accountable. Aside from a handful of low-level soldiers at Abu Ghraib, no one has been held accountable for the U.S.’s embrace and widespread use of torture after the terror attacks of 9/11. And there are no signs that anyone will be. As a result, torture critics conclude that despite President Obama’s decision not to torture, there is no reason to assume that we won’t do it again in the future.


https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/02/x-things-keep-mind-ever-get-read-torture-report/



I CAN'T BREATHE

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Too many politicians signed off on torture and assainations to make the report effective. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #1
"Feinstein has the power to read the report into the Cong. record, but refuses to do so" dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #2
Because she went right along with the rest of the war mongers... Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #16
FFS they've agreed to redact the word 'torture.' AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #3
K&R Who defends torture and calls torturers "patriots"? woo me with science Dec 2014 #4
Excellent, woo. hifiguy Dec 2014 #11
I dare you to post that in the BOG. L0oniX Dec 2014 #14
+100 truth 840high Dec 2014 #27
Well done! GliderGuider Dec 2014 #33
Obama ended the torture, dismantled the machine, it is not up to him to prosecute, it is up to us. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #5
Well it is a good thing that politicians are not terrified of the CIA! Rex Dec 2014 #6
Excellent post underpants Dec 2014 #7
Change in Attitude GeoSquared Dec 2014 #8
Excellent Quote Dirty Socialist Dec 2014 #10
As it should be. Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #15
K&R for your quote. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #19
I guess ole George never heard of the Convention Army... n/t malthaussen Dec 2014 #29
welcome to du, and thanks for reminding us about that quote. niyad Dec 2014 #30
GREAT quote. Adding it to my collection. And Welcome to DU, too, GeoSquared! calimary Dec 2014 #39
Dayum! I thought I might have imagined that when I wrote about it yesterday. Because I'm not KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #47
13. Dirty Socialist Dec 2014 #9
The only thing that stays on my mind about this is that torture violates international law. L0oniX Dec 2014 #12
I never for a moment believed we would hear the full story. zeemike Dec 2014 #13
I never believed it either. Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #17
You are so right. Tip of the iceberg. LuckyLib Dec 2014 #38
I can't breathe. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #18
K&R ReRe Dec 2014 #20
I know......but NEVER GIVE UP.....HOPE KoKo Dec 2014 #23
I may be giving up on hope... ReRe Dec 2014 #26
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #21
Hi there malaise Dec 2014 #22
bump..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #24
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2014 #25
We need a LEAKER. Get the full report out. morningfog Dec 2014 #28
great post Locrian Dec 2014 #31
K & R - It is time to prosecute Bush et al.... n/t xocet Dec 2014 #32
"Prosecution is off the table." blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #42
kick samsingh Dec 2014 #34
Mention "Bush Era torture" to most Americans and they think of this... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #35
Excellent points. hamsterjill Dec 2014 #36
U S A !! U S A !! U S A !! U S A !! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #41
k and r and thank you. bbgrunt Dec 2014 #37
The realeased version is the "sanitized" version. I wouldn't be surprised to find out about child blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #40
Thank you, Iching. Helpful post. merrily Dec 2014 #44
Important post to read on how bad what we read is, there's even more and more evil disclosures to... marble falls Dec 2014 #45
Ichingcarpenter you are one of the treasures of this site madokie Dec 2014 #46
+1 woo me with science Dec 2014 #50
K&R for exposure. JEB Dec 2014 #48
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #49
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