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148. Sorry not nelson, *West*. the guy that looks like 'Breaking Bad"

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:23 AM

Jun 2013

thanks. I will fix my post. my bad.

all we know for sure is that Z was far far closer to his truck than T was to his house when the fight broke out. and that Trayvon LIED about where he was to DD. As for trayvon not wanting to go home, fine doesn't change the fact that he LIED to DD.

I could make the walk from the T to the truck in 15-20 seconds. 35 seconds is ridiculous..

Trayvon was already out of sight for about a minute. As far as what trayvon or martin did after 1.5 to 3 minutes more? all we have is the word of dd who said trayvon was next to his house(WRONG) and zimmerman who WAS close to his truck(RIGHT) when the fight started. zimmerman claims he walked to see the number of the house on the left of the T and was walking back past the T on his way back to his car.

I haven't a clue if Trayvon was hiding in the bushes or came back from wherever. but he did LIE to DD.

WAY WAY at the far end of this path is the Martin/GF house. so he could NOT have been BY his house.

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Witness responds to suggestion that Trayvon lied before getting shot: ‘That’s real retarded, sir’ [View all] Playinghardball Jun 2013 OP

Zing! This guys lawyer sux NightWatcher Jun 2013 #1

are you kidding me????? BigD_95 Jun 2013 #166

knock-knock H2O Man Jun 2013 #168

troll who? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #254

No shit. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #266

She steadfastly told her story. She lied about her age from fear. You are so wrong it's funny. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #177

A "racist"? Why because she uses the term "cracker" to describe friggin bigots? Hoyt Jun 2013 #216

keep dreaming, apologist noiretextatique Jun 2013 #221

Keep believing that. You sound delusional. brush Jun 2013 #229

Too bad she couldn't had said "Knock Knock" to him. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #276

Racist or liar, true or not, doesn't change the facts of the murder... Sheepshank Jun 2013 #231

WTF are you talking about? catbyte Jun 2013 #251

She didn't attack and kill a stranger, though. aquart Jun 2013 #255

bwhahahaha Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #2

Sarah Palin is sure to chime in now. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #3

Wow. Powerful testimony, IMHO. nt pnwmom Jun 2013 #4

Knock knock ... who's there? ... George Zimmerman's lawyer ... zbdent Jun 2013 #5

lol uponit7771 Jun 2013 #70

Totally correct usage of a word. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #6

She actually used the word "retarded"/ Isn't that a no-no ? virgogal Jun 2013 #7

She's under no obligation to tread lightly so as to avoid OFFENDING you or anyone else. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #11

That's what Paula Deen thought too marshall Jun 2013 #175

You are really stretching. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #179

Too true! n/t mimi85 Jun 2013 #190

I don't appreciate it when someone calls my 2 year old grandson, who has Downs Syndrome, retarded! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #269

I don't think Racheal Jeantel knows your 2 yr old grandson SemperEadem Jun 2013 #271

Why do you have to be like that? Do you not understand that the discussion was about Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #295

Paula Deen is a celebrity with her own TV show. Crunchy Frog Jun 2013 #285

Only if it's: zbdent Jun 2013 #291

she was describing the behavior, not the person. nt msongs Jun 2013 #15

And that is the whole difference in usage. To call someone that word is a no no but to discribe an jwirr Jun 2013 #30

You got it right. Difference between the usage. nt LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #277

She didn't call him a retard. She told him his sugestion was retarded. notadmblnd Jun 2013 #17

- just like something a person to whom that has applied might say or do- right? loyalsister Jun 2013 #193

See Reply #179 above. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #247

That's a shame loyalsister Jun 2013 #250

So you think that attorney's feelings were hurt? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #252

The insult is to those who he is being compared with loyalsister Jun 2013 #259

We can only hope it dwells on his mind during the hearing. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #280

There is more than one use for the word notadmblnd Jun 2013 #270

Why didn't she say "you're a brake." loyalsister Jun 2013 #272

I gave the definition of the word notadmblnd Jun 2013 #274

It's not only my interpretation loyalsister Jun 2013 #275

I didn't disregard or dismiss anything notadmblnd Jun 2013 #279

"she said the question was retarded" loyalsister Jun 2013 #283

Compassion for the defense? notadmblnd Jun 2013 #284

Seriously? loyalsister Jun 2013 #287

You are implying that the inarticulate young lady hurt notadmblnd Jun 2013 #289

If you read it that way, you have not read my posts accurately loyalsister Jun 2013 #290

Then it would have to be removed from usage in the automotive industry in regards to ignition. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #281

Um no loyalsister Jun 2013 #286

I dunno. Crunchy Frog Jun 2013 #288

The lawyer is not developmentally delayed, which i believe is the current term in use. Kurovski Jun 2013 #115

I'm not so sure about that pokerfan Jun 2013 #135

"Dying is easy, comedy is hard." Kurovski Jun 2013 #296

Just... deathrind Jun 2013 #204

Kids from the special Olympics started a campaign to stop the use of this word as an insult. dkf Jun 2013 #120

English is this young woman's 3rd language, and it's heavy on vernacular. pnwmom Jun 2013 #141

But what about people here? dkf Jun 2013 #142

What people are reacting to isn't her word choice. It's the strong but very quiet,controlled emotion pnwmom Jun 2013 #145

Exactly! mimi85 Jun 2013 #191

++ Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #256

Me, too! People with some brains and some empathy. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #261

I would be loyalsister Jun 2013 #192

first of all, she didn't make a joke. and i am certain she did not mean to offend noiretextatique Jun 2013 #219

Hopefully she will understand one day as will you. dkf Jun 2013 #226

It doesn't matter what most people will think customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #150

She is not the person on trial. KurtNYC Jun 2013 #169

Her credibility is what is being judged. n/t customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #264

six individuals RILib Jun 2013 #188

Being as all six of these jurors are women customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #265

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy Jun 2013 #268

I heard several analysts say this as well -- the all-female jury did not appear to like anneboleyn Jun 2013 #278

Which would likely not include anyone LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #282

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy Jun 2013 #293

oh for fuck's sake noiretextatique Jun 2013 #218

This is not a comment on her, it's a comment on the peanut gallery cheering on the use of "retard". dkf Jun 2013 #222

point taken eom noiretextatique Jun 2013 #235

The Food Network has cancelled her show jberryhill Jun 2013 #176

Get over it. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #178

Yes, but... Bradical79 Jun 2013 #199

No, it's OK for someone we like ........ PsychoBunny Jun 2013 #205

It was a retarded question with dim-brained logic. aquart Jun 2013 #258

that was the best line of the trial... Sancho Jun 2013 #8

I stood up and actually clapped all american girl Jun 2013 #67

I do too! cilla4progress Jun 2013 #101

do you people have aclue BigD_95 Jun 2013 #167

Bullshit! mimi85 Jun 2013 #194

I find her very convncing. Calm, resolute and quietly angry. The lawyer is trying hard to 1monster Jun 2013 #230

I don't thing the attorney is stupid josejimenez Jun 2013 #110

No immigration bill has been passed...probably won't be anytime soon. Sancho Jun 2013 #117

Which is not surprising since he isn't really listening to her answers. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #144

Good point. The challenge for the defense will be to make the facts that stick fit with THEIR KurtNYC Jun 2013 #171

That was freaking brilliant malaise Jun 2013 #9

Out of the mouths of babes (speaking metpahorically) . . . - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #13

Yes! She is still a teenager, going to toe-to-toe with that knock knock joke lawyer. brush Jun 2013 #236

Ugh. The R word. bigwillq Jun 2013 #10

I think that young girl held her own just fine. nt alphafemale Jun 2013 #41

I didn't watch so I don't know. bigwillq Jun 2013 #42

Cursive is essentially a font. It's a symbol set. There are now thousands in common use. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #66

AN ART FORM? Mira Jun 2013 #81

I teach college English. About 1/2 of my students (including many who tblue37 Jun 2013 #78

By that logic, shorthand would be even better. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #102

Not necessarily. There are many other forms of "fast writing" tblue37 Jun 2013 #108

Is not Cursive but an idiosyncratic form of fast writing? Thor_MN Jun 2013 #118

Good post. theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #160

That term is now generally applied to videogames now actually. Neoma Jun 2013 #189

I found the same thing while working at a college. Many students don't know how to write in cursive. brush Jun 2013 #237

Cursive is basically printing without lifting the pen from the paper, letters joined together bike man Jun 2013 #152

There can be physical reasons why someone cannot read cursive. reusrename Jun 2013 #163

Very few schools still teach cursive. Unfortunately, the focus by state and federal education 1monster Jun 2013 #234

My aunt teaches 8th grade English October Jun 2013 #267

I suspect people failed that child in bigger ways than not prettying up her diction. MH1 Jun 2013 #45

I hope not either. bigwillq Jun 2013 #47

Lots of schools have stopped teaching cursive. prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #49

Shame on the schools then. bigwillq Jun 2013 #50

Every year my mother gives us birthday cards with a personal message written in cursive BeliQueen Jun 2013 #72

Yes bigwillq Jun 2013 #74

We are mortal. We have a limited amount of time and energy to spend on learning things, tblue37 Jun 2013 #84

That's just retarded, sir. bigwillq Jun 2013 #85

Well, you seem to be saying that EVERYTHING should be taught tblue37 Jun 2013 #91

Hey, I haven't used algebra since high school bigwillq Jun 2013 #93

But algebra--and other forms of math--are NOT obsolete. tblue37 Jun 2013 #103

Oops, sorry. bigwillq Jun 2013 #104

You think that's funny? PsychoBunny Jun 2013 #207

I'm willing to bet you have used algebra since high school -- just not the higher, more obscure 1monster Jun 2013 #238

Nope bigwillq Jun 2013 #246

Just an example. Figuring out how much money you have and how much 1monster Jun 2013 #248

....... snappyturtle Jun 2013 #90

I struggle to read my own father's cursive writing, truebluegreen Jun 2013 #249

I still write Palmer Method and that should still be taught. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #106

Quite often, they print the letters and hook them together with little curved lines... 1monster Jun 2013 #239

Great response! elleng Jun 2013 #12

"Are you listening?" Sancho Jun 2013 #14

I cheered when she asked that! Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #21

There's a point where arrogance becomes stupidity. And he crossed that line. freshwest Jun 2013 #22

Boom AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #16

So calling someone "retarded" is now acceptable and funny? dkf Jun 2013 #18

Unfortunately, too many kids still use that word. femmocrat Jun 2013 #19

Well she is getting affirmation from posters above who think its funny. dkf Jun 2013 #20

I am not one for the "criminalization" of words. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #37

Correct WovenGems Jun 2013 #96

Oh so it's possible to use the n word in the proper context? dkf Jun 2013 #114

No WovenGems Jun 2013 #119

Spread the word to end the word... dkf Jun 2013 #121

Wait! WovenGems Jun 2013 #122

Did you see the PSA? dkf Jun 2013 #124

Why? WovenGems Jun 2013 #126

I can accept that she didn't know better. dkf Jun 2013 #129

Yes, it is. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #208

Indeed! mimi85 Jun 2013 #197

She clearly should've said, "I question the fundamental premise underlying your logic, sir." instead RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #215

I think what the posters are affirming is not her word choice but the utter contempt pnwmom Jun 2013 #143

agreed. in fact, i would have replaced the word "real" with the word "fucking.." frylock Jun 2013 #214

I would like to expand on the definition Coccydynia Jun 2013 #57

Isn't the bad part that you are disparaging a class of people as an insult? dkf Jun 2013 #62

I would put it in the same category. femmocrat Jun 2013 #65

I feel the term gay is different, and actually Coccydynia Jun 2013 #76

Well, that is an interesting retort. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #69

This board is the very place that hammers it home. dkf Jun 2013 #73

I do understand that. And I think that Coccydynia Jun 2013 #86

This site explains it better than I can: femmocrat Jun 2013 #75

Thank you for that link. Very informative. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #79

I'm one of "those people" with a kid who is dx'd MR, and it offends me. Butterbean Jun 2013 #82

I certainly hope you don't think I was high fiving anyone. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #89

There are people giving high 5's upthread, one merely has to scroll. Butterbean Jun 2013 #95

Ok Coccydynia Jun 2013 #112

Another Substitution For Retarded DallasNE Jun 2013 #97

Much better choice. Well done! Coccydynia Jun 2013 #111

Now there's a word that a teenager for whom English is a third language should be able to eridani Jun 2013 #155

the heaven05 Jun 2013 #195

Arrogance Is In The Eye Of The Beholder DallasNE Jun 2013 #210

no heaven05 Jun 2013 #213

only people offended are the zimmerman defenders trumad Jun 2013 #24

NIT-PICKING Zimmerman defenders! arcane1 Jun 2013 #109

Ouch OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #137

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2013 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2013 #253

If you have a complaint please make a statement. Tell us how you feel instead of asking idiot rhett o rick Jun 2013 #25

I've been told that is offensive, as is the N word and the C word. dkf Jun 2013 #31

So you cant pass up an opportunity for righteous indignation? We all agree that comments like hers rhett o rick Jun 2013 #36

It's the hypocrisy, especially on a board that is sensitive to how words are used. dkf Jun 2013 #39

Kinda like republicans who pose as Democrats I guess. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #44

Sorry...card carrying and official member of the Democratic Party and not a socialist. dkf Jun 2013 #55

Out of line. theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #161

That's the crux of the matter pipi_k Jun 2013 #51

she's heaven05 Jun 2013 #200

I didn't see pipi_k Jun 2013 #206

keep heaven05 Jun 2013 #212

Once again. No one here is condoning what she said, just that she "stood her ground". nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #187

Her friend was murdered. REP Jun 2013 #26

Nor do I. Chemisse Jun 2013 #94

I am such a dumbass that I don't know... Link Speed Jun 2013 #29

In earlier times is right. dkf Jun 2013 #33

"Acceptable" is an adjective. "Funny" is a noun. 1monster Jun 2013 #243

She didn't call anyone retarded. Merlot Jun 2013 #34

Did she call him retarded or 'that' roody Jun 2013 #38

She called no one retarded Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #40

EDIT: It is *NOT* acceptable to call an action or a person "retarded". mwooldri Jun 2013 #46

Not in my opinion. femmocrat Jun 2013 #68

Thank you, and I have amended my original one-liner NT post. mwooldri Jun 2013 #294

Exactly pokerfan Jun 2013 #136

I hope not NoGOPZone Jun 2013 #52

It's all in the context.. egduj Jun 2013 #59

No...it's about being respectful to a group of people who are hurt by its use. dkf Jun 2013 #87

What compulsion makes you hound the threads on this forum? Kolesar Jun 2013 #80

It's just a word. Chemisse Jun 2013 #98

The n word is also just a word like the c word is just a word. dkf Jun 2013 #100

Thank you. n/t Butterbean Jun 2013 #107

She said "That’s real retarded", not "You're real retarded" arcane1 Jun 2013 #105

Not a person. His claim! That's what she said was retarded. longship Jun 2013 #113

Have you never heard anyone explain why this is hurtful to the disabled community? dkf Jun 2013 #116

Fine. I agree. longship Jun 2013 #123

I excuse her. dkf Jun 2013 #127

Because West was being an asshole. Incitatus Jun 2013 #130

I guess it's because... longship Jun 2013 #132

It was hours of testimony. dkf Jun 2013 #139

Some us us don't have the time to watch the hours of testimony. Incitatus Jun 2013 #156

who heaven05 Jun 2013 #202

Quite obviously... jberryhill Jun 2013 #174

The witness wasn't really thinking about a cause right then. And don't you mean "Differently WinkyDink Jun 2013 #182

This was my thought OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #134

Apparently there are others who could also benefit. dkf Jun 2013 #140

Most definitely OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #153

Yes, it's such a shame that teenagers for whom English is a third language haven't memorized Rogets eridani Jun 2013 #157

I can excuse Rachel, who may not know OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #158

It's the only relevant English word she has access to eridani Jun 2013 #159

As I said, I can excuse Rachel - that is not OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #162

That's not the point... pipi_k Jun 2013 #209

FAIL! reusrename Jun 2013 #164

Right...she didn't say pipi_k Jun 2013 #211

Stop the faux-indignation, ok? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #180

for at least the tenth time in this thread, she did not call the attorney retarded, she said his niyad Jun 2013 #201

Congratulations on successfully hijacking this thread! 1monster Jun 2013 #244

Maybe we will all learn something from it. dkf Jun 2013 #257

As the stepmother of an autistic young man and the mother of a mildly autistic young man, 1monster Jun 2013 #263

As Sheldon Cooper would say: "Bazinga" GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #23

Yes, becasue his question was "hookum" all american girl Jun 2013 #71

she may not be polished and highly educated, but she is fiercely loyal and says what she thinks sad-cafe Jun 2013 #27

Exactly how I feel. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #32

Congratulations... homegirl Jun 2013 #58

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #63

She's better'n me. I'd've been speechless. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #28

that's real brilliant :)))) JackN415 Jun 2013 #35

Teen guys never lie. grok Jun 2013 #43

Context is everything ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #53

I always try and impress girls Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #56

And that I'm scared!!! alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #92

well heaven05 Jun 2013 #203

he wasn't trying to impress her JI7 Jun 2013 #131

just being sarcastic... grok Jun 2013 #133

There is not an iota of "sarcasm" in that post, unless your defintion differs from the norm. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #185

Yeah, nothing gets a teen girl hotter jeff47 Jun 2013 #146

Your post in the context of what was occurring is.......challenged. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #183

so...he lied about what exactly? noiretextatique Jun 2013 #223

I really, really love Rachel Jeantel. Firebrand Gary Jun 2013 #48

it was, based on the true meaning of the word fascisthunter Jun 2013 #54

She is holding her own... Historic NY Jun 2013 #60

Zimmerman's lawyers are establishing grounds for appeal Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #61

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #64

It's tough to fish when you got no bait . NM_Birder Jun 2013 #83

Owned. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #77

Is this lawyer Zimmerman's brother in law?? tavernier Jun 2013 #88

Isn't there an Old Lawyers Rule? Turbineguy Jun 2013 #99

And, she called him, sir! "Asked and Answered" Cha Jun 2013 #125

The short video doesn't explain the context grok Jun 2013 #128

Wait a minute, Nelson was interviewing the witness? pokerfan Jun 2013 #138

Sorry not nelson, *West*. the guy that looks like 'Breaking Bad" grok Jun 2013 #148

Well, case closed, counselor! dpibel Jun 2013 #149

You are absolutely correct Sir. grok Jun 2013 #151

Is it possible that TM, who doesn't regularly live in this development, KurtNYC Jun 2013 #172

i believe he got lost because the creep was following him noiretextatique Jun 2013 #233

Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #240

That's retarded. reusrename Jun 2013 #165

I disagree with John2 Jun 2013 #173

'close' is a relative term handmade34 Jun 2013 #184

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #198

you are really desperately trying to alter the reality of what happpened noiretextatique Jun 2013 #225

Actually, i am convinced she is telling the truth grok Jun 2013 #232

She did great! Bryn Jun 2013 #147

That was rude, using an inappropriate word, and a perfect reply. uppityperson Jun 2013 #154

I get sick of people saying we can't B Calm Jun 2013 #170

People need to stop with the disingenuous "indignation" here. "Rachel said 'retarded'! She's PRE-JU- WinkyDink Jun 2013 #181

I took it John2 Jun 2013 #186

Repeating what I posted up pipi_k Jun 2013 #217

Either word would be OK PsychoBunny Jun 2013 #260

It's possible for two things to be true simultaneously. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #220

No excuse for the use of the word...none whatsoever...nt joeybee12 Jun 2013 #224

I was in the hospital labs waiting room EC Jun 2013 #227

My post on coded language Generic Other Jun 2013 #228

I think the R word is acceptable in her usage here. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #241

You think? nolabels Jun 2013 #245

Whatever we think of the word, we cannot disagree on crim son Jun 2013 #242

I heard her say that... ReRe Jun 2013 #262

The real thing that has gotten retarded* here is the advancement of the discussion RVN VET Jun 2013 #273

Well, she swore an oath to tell the truth, right? zbdent Jun 2013 #292