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jmg257

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86. Sorry - the AWB is not a compromise with gun owners (so much)...its a compromise

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:29 PM

Apr 2013

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law written in an attempt to reduce the numbers/some portion of the guns being targeted. Think they don't know leaving the millions of mags and AWs out there is not a weak point? Think they don't know more loopholes might be exploited? Think they don't realize they are allowing millions of existing guns to be tranfered w/o control via private sales? Think they don't see it might be goofy to target one gun with one feature and not another of the same family?

BUT - such 'compromises' do give the law a better chance of being passed. And they leave plenty of types of guns untouched.

Which of course also covers your next point re:effectiveness.

UBC without registration is pretty much useless in halting the illegal flow of arms - stolen or otherwise. Registration would make such a law much more effective, especially re:straw purchases which will continue.

I'm saying controllers are being realistic in trying to get what they can. "Handguns" aren't it.

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Please keep an open mind long enough to finish this VA Democrat's blog post about gun control [View all] Recursion Apr 2013 OP

Frankly after the very loose background check bill failed, mostly on lies, I could care less, people still_one Apr 2013 #1

All amendments failed that day. Two easy ones passed the next day before Reid pulled it ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #2

They did not pass because they were filibustered, that is the same as losing still_one Apr 2013 #8

Sen. Feinstein's AWB and mag. limit were not filibustered, premium Apr 2013 #61

I know, I was talking referring to the weak background checking bill which was filibustered. The still_one Apr 2013 #80

It's a damn shame that the UBC didn't pass, premium Apr 2013 #90

Gah! No. Don't give up, either Recursion Apr 2013 #4

I am not offering anything. People should vote for people that support their position if they want still_one Apr 2013 #11

Then expect as much policy success as culture war issues have historically had Recursion Apr 2013 #12

the whole post is bull luckyleftyme2 Apr 2013 #75

Why should we offer them anything? MattBaggins Apr 2013 #51

No mixed message here. I absolutely want to take away your guns . bowens43 Apr 2013 #3

That's a much better place to start Recursion Apr 2013 #5

And you are as bad as the pro-gun nuts wanting everyone armed. And unrealistic. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #10

No, he's thousands of needless deaths a year better, probably tens of thousands. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #32

I respect your openess & honesty appal_jack Apr 2013 #21

Are you saying that Switzerland isn't a free society? nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #48

Please. If only the US had the same restrictions as Switzerland. nt laundry_queen Apr 2013 #64

I very much appreciate the honesty. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #66

Gotta love it. All you have to do to get the Gun Enthusiasts' respect...... Paladin Apr 2013 #78

Lots of words, not ONE solution. Pholus Apr 2013 #6

I think both of you sarisataka Apr 2013 #7

Sorry, that's post 7 (nt) Recursion Apr 2013 #9

Bummer, always two posts too late sarisataka Apr 2013 #13

... pipoman Apr 2013 #14

The alert does not surprise me, nor does the vote ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #16

The vote sort of surprised me.. pipoman Apr 2013 #24

Most politicians basically don't know all that much Fumesucker Apr 2013 #15

Very good article. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #17

And gun cultists will simply continue to be "irresponsible" gun owners to detriment of society. Hoyt Apr 2013 #19

Yeah, how's that new legislation working out? nt Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #20

How's it working out? Those parents from Newtown are dejected, and people like you are happy. Paladin Apr 2013 #79

Do you consider the cited author a gun cultist ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #22

What percent of gun owners act that way? (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2013 #23

It's not "gun grabbers" it's criticising. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #34

Nicely writen article. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #18

All slick lies are well-written. And that is all that post is. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #31

Can you be more specific? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #33

See (my) post #30 in this thread. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #35

Not at all... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #37

OFFS. This blog is full of lies and is not telling us anything to help us "move forward." SunSeeker Apr 2013 #38

Again, not at all... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #41

We DO have something to show for it. We got good laws passed in CO and NY. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #42

Well then, enjoy your victory :) Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #43

It's just the beginning. And it is your victory too. :) SunSeeker Apr 2013 #44

Yes, it is full of lies. DanTex Apr 2013 #55

How about we ban gun ARSENALS. ErikJ Apr 2013 #25

How is that common sense? nt Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #27

Better question, why ISNT it common sense? ErikJ Apr 2013 #29

Yep. Limit number, types, and public toting, and we'd be in good shape. Hoyt Apr 2013 #36

actually they are not gejohnston Apr 2013 #45

Thank you laundry_queen Apr 2013 #67

you are welcome gejohnston Apr 2013 #71

Well, I don't doubt that is part of it laundry_queen Apr 2013 #73

You want to ban empty fiberglass tubes? GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #59

He lost me early on with this gem... MattSh Apr 2013 #26

Really high class bullshit. grantcart Apr 2013 #28

Beg to differ reformed_military Apr 2013 #57

You are incorrect on the facts and the logic. grantcart Apr 2013 #60

If I came across that way, I was unclear, which is a shame. Because I'm not trying to start a fight. Recursion Apr 2013 #62

You wasted my time. This post consists of nothing but stale NRA propaganda. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #30

Exactly. DanTex Apr 2013 #56

I was trying really hard to take it seriously until I got to "Don't be so mean to the NRA!" bullwinkle428 Apr 2013 #39

Like I said I thought that was his weakest point, too Recursion Apr 2013 #40

You're paranoid zipplewrath Apr 2013 #46

Hold it, Hold it... jmg257 Apr 2013 #47

She has said so. In as many words. Recursion Apr 2013 #49

Assault weapons. Period. Nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #50

You know the arguement gun worshipers will use: baldguy Apr 2013 #52

"The trivial minutia of weapons design are irrelevant" WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #63

We're losing the global warming "debate" just as badly as the gun debate. DanTex Apr 2013 #65

I agree with your statement WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #68

You're fucking kidding, right? laundry_queen Apr 2013 #69

It's the right thing to do? WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #70

moving goalposts. twisting words. nice. nt laundry_queen Apr 2013 #72

When Gun Digest coined the phrase 'Assault Weapons' back in '86, jmg257 Apr 2013 #82

Thanks for the well reasoned reply WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #83

Your missing a main point...controllers trying to get what they think they can. jmg257 Apr 2013 #84

You think I'm missing a point? WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #85

Sorry - the AWB is not a compromise with gun owners (so much)...its a compromise jmg257 Apr 2013 #86

You don't have to be a climate scientist to understand that global climate change is a problem. baldguy Apr 2013 #89

No, but you at least need to know WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #91

Find me a clip of her using the words "door to door confiscation" DanTex Apr 2013 #54

I have a better idea - why don't YOU stop pretending she was talking about all semi-autos, jmg257 Apr 2013 #81

I have a question... OneGrassRoot Apr 2013 #87

Typically, yes - a ban often allows 'grandfathering', and is usually on new manufacture only. jmg257 Apr 2013 #88

In other words, we should play nice with crazy right-wingers. DanTex Apr 2013 #53

Do you want to win, or do you want to beat the NRA? Recursion Apr 2013 #74

On gun policy, those are the same thing. DanTex Apr 2013 #76

"Obama wants to take our guns!" Orsino Apr 2013 #58

Thanks for the post. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #77