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Straw Man

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53. Could you please point it out to me?

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:46 PM

Nov 2018

I can't find any AP or Reuters story that mentions what was going on inside after the initial encounter with law enforcement.

USA Today says the shooting lasted "about three minutes."

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-timeline/1931287002/

This is consistent with the time it took for the first officers to arrive on scene. It is not consistent with the reported "15 to 20 minutes" that elapsed between the first law-enforcement encounter and the arrival of the SWAT team.

https://www.apnews.com/d2737a3853bc4aea8a27c957c75c88ab

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Thousand Oaks shooter shot all the security at the club first. [View all] Cattledog Nov 2018 OP

Mentally unstable?? Not a chance Roland99 Nov 2018 #1

Seriously? LisaL Nov 2018 #12

He purposefully took out security. he knew what he was doing. Roland99 Nov 2018 #15

That doesn't exclude mental instability. LisaL Nov 2018 #21

being mentally unstable qazplm135 Nov 2018 #51

you got that right, Roland99 Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #61

And planned it AwakeAtLast Nov 2018 #62

If only there had been SEVEN good guys with guns, that would have done it. sfwriter Nov 2018 #2

Right. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #4

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is 100 good guys with guns. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2018 #52

There was an officer at the Pulse shooting zipplewrath Nov 2018 #3

Yes, there was. Straw Man Nov 2018 #9

Well in this particular case the killer shot the officer first. LisaL Nov 2018 #13

No, he shot an unarmed security guard first. Straw Man Nov 2018 #17

Where does it say that security guard wasn't armed? LisaL Nov 2018 #23

They said that the security guards weren't armed on at least 3 news reports I heard this morning. WillowTree Nov 2018 #24

Right. Straw Man Nov 2018 #27

If the guard had several weapons strapped to his body, he wouldn't have had a chance to pull it. Hoyt Nov 2018 #31

The officer that was killed was armed. He certainly was carrying pink balloons on his hip. Blue_true Nov 2018 #38

Beg pardon? Straw Man Nov 2018 #46

That is not what news reports say. Blue_true Nov 2018 #47

Could you please cite those news reports? Straw Man Nov 2018 #48

A Reuthers or AP report yesterday detailed the events. Blue_true Nov 2018 #49

Could you please point it out to me? Straw Man Nov 2018 #53

Look, I read the article. I read a lot of articles. Blue_true Nov 2018 #56

OK. Show them to me so I can read them too. Straw Man Nov 2018 #57

You find them. I don't make up stuff like that. Blue_true Nov 2018 #59

They're your assertions. It's not my job to support them. Straw Man Nov 2018 #60

Armed and trained EffieBlack Nov 2018 #54

It would also save lives if every motherfucker with a pulse wasn't able to go out and buy a whole f raccoon Nov 2018 #26

I wouldn't call one handgun ... Straw Man Nov 2018 #28

Seriously? Really? ChubbyStar Nov 2018 #29

THANK YOU. NT raccoon Nov 2018 #33

Yes, seriously. Straw Man Nov 2018 #45

I guess I was thinking of that killer here in South Carolina raccoon Nov 2018 #32

At least 11 grieving families are taking little comfort in him being "slowed down" AFTER he EffieBlack Nov 2018 #55

And dozens of others are immensely grateful that he WAS "slowed down." Straw Man Nov 2018 #58

A planned attack?? atreides1 Nov 2018 #5

What will be the solution that Trump, Republicans, and the NRA say is needed? LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #6

So much for be safe if there are good guys with guns around. sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #7

Are you saying that the outcome would have been better ... Straw Man Nov 2018 #11

Nope. I think the point essme Nov 2018 #14

I'm sorry, but ... Straw Man Nov 2018 #18

He shot the security guards first. I have not read how long it took sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #19

The security guards were not armed. Straw Man Nov 2018 #43

The Sheriff said there were five off duty police officers inside the club. Blue_true Nov 2018 #39

If they were drinking, they should not have been armed. Straw Man Nov 2018 #42

The security guy was unarmed. cwydro Nov 2018 #22

he was trained in assault tactics in the military. it shouldn't surprise anyone. maxsolomon Nov 2018 #8

Exactly. LisaL Nov 2018 #10

A witness said he used smoke bombs for cover. Trained well, by the US military. Autumn Nov 2018 #16

The security guard was unarmed. cwydro Nov 2018 #20

The off duty police did not have guns Raine Nov 2018 #25

FBI agent, happened in Denver Fla_Democrat Nov 2018 #35

Thanks Raine Nov 2018 #36

How about ankle pieces? The rule needs to change. Blue_true Nov 2018 #41

That's exactly what will happen in schools too. Hoyt Nov 2018 #30

They obviously did not have enough security major debacle Nov 2018 #34

Do off duty police in California carry a concealed weapon? Blue_true Nov 2018 #37

He was a marine combat veteran Azathoth Nov 2018 #40

yep not a deranged high school kid...this guy was trained dembotoz Nov 2018 #50

It doesn't matter if there is an armed cop or armed security guard present. DesertRat Nov 2018 #44