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MineralMan

(146,309 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:44 AM Jan 2020

Senator Bernie Sanders is proud of his status as an Independent Senator [View all]

from Vermont. He has won several elections there, running as an Independent candidate. That's his choice, and the voters in Vermont seem to like him, since they keep re-electing him. I cannot and would not fault him for his choice of party label. It is his decision, after all, and he runs for office in Vermont, a state where I do not live. He has been successful as an Independent, and usually votes with the Democratic Caucus in the Senate. Not always, but usually.

In 2016 and now in 2020, he ran and is running as a Democrat for the Democratic Party's nomination for President. After failing to win the party's nomination in 2016, he immediately reverted back to his Independent status. I expect that he will do the same in 2020 if he is not successful in winning the Democratic Party nomination.

Why should he change his long-standing status?

However, that temporary change of parties is troublesome for many long-term Democrats. It is troublesome for me. In every presidential election since 1968, I have cast my vote for the Democratic Party nominee for President. I am a Democrat. That is what I do, even when it is clear that the Democratic nominee will not win. My loyalty to the party is based on the historical fact that the people in this country do better when a Democrat is in the White House, and better yet when a Democratic President has a Democratic Congress. So, I always vote for the Democrats on my ballot for every partisan office.

Bernie Sanders has declared himself to be a Democrat for the purpose of running in the 2020 primary elections. He could not run for that nomination without that declaration. Is that a permanent change? Will he serve as a Democrat during his term in office, should he win the nomination and the general election? I don't know. I don't think anyone has asked him that question, to tell the truth.

He is a Democrat now because he could not seek the nomination without declaring himself to be a Democrat. But, is he a Democrat in his heart? That I do not know. Since he always reverts back to his Independent status when not running for President, I have some doubts about that.

I will vote for Senator Bernie Sanders if he becomes the nominee, of course, because he will be the Democratic nominee and because I always vote for Democrats. To do otherwise would be impossible for me. But, that does not mean that I hope he'll become our nominee for that office. I do not. I want a solid, long-time Democrat to be the nominee.

I'm not alone, either. Many Democrats I know feel the same way, and will vote for a demonstrated Democrat on their primary ballot. That's what I'll be doing, too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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But what has he accomplished that he is proud of? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #1
That is not my concern. He is proud of being an Independent Senator. MineralMan Jan 2020 #2
disagree.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #4
And I don't picture Sanders as a fence mender PatSeg Jan 2020 #8
Sanders has never gotten more than 207,848 votes in an election. George II Jan 2020 #3
Well, Vermont is a sparsely populated state. MineralMan Jan 2020 #5
Correct. Reminds me of the inverse of that Frank Sinatra song, "New York, New York" George II Jan 2020 #6
I think Vermont would be a delightful place to live. MineralMan Jan 2020 #7
I live in mass and mostly agree with you.. getagrip_already Jan 2020 #9
That's a big reason why I wouldn't want to live there. I HATE guns, don't want to be around them. George II Jan 2020 #11
I don't hear about much gun violence in Vermont, though. MineralMan Jan 2020 #12
It's a very rural, very monolithic population.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #13
Ah, Winter Gets to Us All. MineralMan Jan 2020 #15
again, the low population handmade34 Jan 2020 #36
It's okay, pretty in the summer but not a place I'd like to live. George II Jan 2020 #10
this is our song... handmade34 Jan 2020 #38
key word Independent handmade34 Jan 2020 #14
I'm not bashing Bernie anyway. MineralMan Jan 2020 #16
not a reference to you handmade34 Jan 2020 #37
Oh no. The party affiliation concerns. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #17
Nope. However, we do have a de facto two-party system here. MineralMan Jan 2020 #18
Bernie is demonstrating how one might be an independent and succeed in a de facto 2-part system aikoaiko Jan 2020 #19
Really, I don't think Bernie will become the Democratic nominee. MineralMan Jan 2020 #20
I tend to agree, but he is demonstrating how an independent can be involved and possibly win. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #21
Nothing prevents any candidate from being involved. MineralMan Jan 2020 #23
I like the graphic...but disagree. I am a Democrat, I vote Democratic...party affiliation is an Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #30
I know there are others who share your viewpoint on this, but I don't Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #22
The 2020 general election will not be about the candidates, but about general directions. MineralMan Jan 2020 #24
I couldn't agree on this more. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #25
Thanks. I'm all about outcomes when it comes to MineralMan Jan 2020 #26
It sends the message that Party is not good enough to support as a member IMHO. Sanders had Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #31
I'm good with Bernie as a Democrat or an I. It's his positions, views and ideas -- KPN Jan 2020 #27
I vote for Democrats period. I would vote for Sanders if he is in the general of course. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #32
So do I. The upside is Sanders runs as a Democrat. KPN Jan 2020 #39
And I would add that is what some who voted for Stein in 16 said...they don't care about party just Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #33
I vote for who I think is best. In all cases, that has been the Democrat KPN Jan 2020 #40
Vote D ...or we will lose elections...people won't always love their nominee but the alternative is Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #41
Preaching to the choir ... but I don't judge or KPN Jan 2020 #42
Here's the problem Quackers Jan 2020 #28
I agree. He needs to run Indie in Vermont. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #34
+1000 K&R Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #29
I agree, the Democratic primary is for the Party, not the country. apnu Jan 2020 #35
I am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party and I want to nominate a Democrat Gothmog Jan 2020 #43
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