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Fire Walk With Me

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Fri Aug 9, 2013, 09:49 AM Aug 2013

"OWS - Where have they gone?" [View all]

Last edited Fri Aug 9, 2013, 11:26 AM - Edit history (1)

Cross-posting from a GD thread. This is only skimming the surface but I wanted to share it here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023427954

The US government engaged in prolonged domestic terrorism against us.

The use and threat of force (which includes arrests into the prison-industrial complex and courts system) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population for political or social purposes.

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

We revealed the true power in the country which is the Plutonomy/Plutocracy/Corporatocracy. And that the government is devoted to protecting it at the expense of US citizens. That the US government does not represent the citizens of this country.

Some 7700 of us were arrested. The DHS and FBI spied upon us from day one and shared the information across agencies (such sharing is specifically redacted in FOIA documents) =as well as with the very corporations and institutions we protested=.

We revealed the death of "the commons" in major cities, of "privately-owned public space". We revealed that "democratic" mayors across the nation were even more aggressive and bloodthirsty in their response to the marches and encampments as republican (Quan, Villariagosa, etc.) We revealed that the media outright lied about us to preserve the agenda of the five or six corporations who own the mainstream media (including Mitt Romney's Bain Capital).

We revealed that debt is their business model.

We helped reveal the revolving door in the White House providing for corporate bailouts and interests.

We revealed the massive, long-term and blatantly illegal foreclosure engine being applied against the people of this country. Google "double-tracking". And that Wall Street (Blackstone Group) are behind buying up the foreclosures banks then put up for auction every quarter or so. It's a land grab to turn us into a nation of renters. Michael Moore leaked the Citigroup "Plutonomy" memos which revealed among other things that the main asset of the bottom 80% of US income earners is their home. Note the attacks upon our homes and the transfer to Wall Street.

We revealed that civil disobedience is now very dangerous to say the least, and that the 1st Amendment is basically gone. Even the Supreme Court legislated that protest is illegal on their grounds, using terms directly from the 1st Amendment. It's not democracy if they don't listen.

We revealed that when the people get together from all walks of life, across all financial and social boundaries, the results are unstable but are synergistic. That we have a common love for each other and a common cause of fairness and basic rights. We brought together Main Street and Skid Row (and revealed the forces acting against both for personal profit). We revealed that the people can sometimes respond more quickly than government systems to begin providing relief to disaster-struck areas. Not gloating, merely doing what must be done.

We revealed that together, we are a true power with positive goals and great hope and positivity. That in gathering together, we CAN change the world for the better. We revealed that we must create new systems obsoleting the old.

We revealed that the powers that be must end any gathering of the people into their own power so that we remain dependent upon THEM. To show us WHY WE NEED THEM, to paraphrase "V for Vendetta".

We thank Anonymous and others who fight the good fight and who provided massive assistance and support. We thank Michael Moore who in "Capitalism: A Love Story" asked the people to DO SOMETHING, who is an endless truth-teller and patriot.

We are still here. We are in the new wave of worker's rights and wage rights strikes in warehouses, anti-union companies such as Walmart, in strikes for a living wage in fast food and any other area. We are still here when you remember the vast, unchanged income inequality present in this country. We are here when you hear about corporate legislation (ALEC, such as "stand your ground&quot . We are here when you learn of appointments of billionaires and corporate executives to government positions, of representatives' investments in such things as the tar sands and KeystoneXL pipeline. We are here when you note the militarization of police departments under the lie of the surveillance state. We are here when you note that representatives who voted to continue the NSA as-is were granted lots of donations and rewards by lobbyists. We are there as you note the Halliburton-like, Iraq pig's trough of start-up companies sucking up both our data and tax dollars under the lie of the surveillance state.

We are there as you realize the government's message to protesters, whistle-blowers, journalists, and more, is "Do what we say or else."

We are there as you rise against this to fight for our Constitutional values.

We are you. You are the 99%. You are the true power and hope in this country. Together, we CAN build a better world.


I am with Occupy but no single member represents the movement.
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"OWS - Where have they gone?" [View all] Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 OP
I support what you are doing but not how. Too many issues that are symptoms, go after the root Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #1
1000% right Dustlawyer sorefeet Aug 2013 #3
Campaign corruption is just one more symptom starroute Aug 2013 #4
I don't think that publicly funded elections would be ineffectual, I think it would be Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #18
I agree it could be more likely to happen, but not that it would do any good starroute Aug 2013 #20
The government can restrict the 1st amendment if it can show a compelling governmental interest. Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #21
I don't think election reform is the number one issue. Blanks Aug 2013 #57
kick /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #2
Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #5
This is true but... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #6
Our agenda is very clear; the issues are myriad, perhaps legion Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9
Sorry, I disagree Phillyindy Aug 2013 #12
You have to remember OWS is an emergent, a paradigm shift away from greed and selfishness. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #13
Sounds like... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #15
Sorry, waxing philosopic there. My main interest is spirituality so that sometimes bleeds Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #16
Many people wrote off OWS once it became apparent Maedhros Aug 2013 #26
To an extent... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #28
Agreed. Maedhros Aug 2013 #30
And please never forget that "democratic" and "progressive" mayors are among the worst offenders Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #32
Yes - both sides of the political divide cooperated Maedhros Aug 2013 #55
The Buckminster Fuller quote: yes (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #35
There's a lot of truthiness in your post, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way. reusrename Aug 2013 #27
Civil rights, worker rights, and environmental law movements have all failed bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #36
Is this a joke? Phillyindy Aug 2013 #43
The agenda was NOT clear and that is because there was no leadership. MADem Aug 2013 #31
"Responsibility and authority" would have turned OWS into ...what? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #37
When you have leaders who take responsibility and have the authority to act for the benefit of the MADem Aug 2013 #40
AMEN. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #44
Oh - And what's with the contempt for the homeless and hungry? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #38
What "contempt?" MADem Aug 2013 #41
Many here... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #42
Thank you. I wanted them to succeed, but it was not to be. MADem Aug 2013 #47
Pretty much. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #48
The "programs" for the homeless have left them under the bridge too bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #45
Way to miss my point....again! MADem Aug 2013 #46
My local Occupy runs a weekly free medical clinic each Sunday here, open to all, even to you! Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #49
Those things are... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #51
Here is what I responded to, all about how Occupy should do what they are doing here: Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #52
How nice of you. I pay for my medical -- it's not expensive as I am a military retiree. MADem Aug 2013 #54
It's almost like.. Phillyindy Aug 2013 #50
That poster said 'they should start their own programs' then you attacked them for doing so. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #53
I answered your question, FWIW. MADem Aug 2013 #56
k and r niyad Aug 2013 #7
K & R, Period. TheJames Aug 2013 #8
K&R! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #10
K&R Saviolo Aug 2013 #11
Everybody branched out into various activities. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #14
DURec!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #17
Second that, bvar22 (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #39
To every thing, there is a season Demeter Aug 2013 #19
Big K&R! nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23
Thank you for all your efforts. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #24
The only quibble I have is where the ACLU says debt is their business model. reusrename Aug 2013 #25
We Need More 99 Percent People To Get What's Going On And Engage. colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #29
Wow. What a beautiful post. woo me with science Aug 2013 #33
OWS was a temporary autonomous response to worsening corporate stupidity,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #34
There are people upthread who are missing a few things... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #58
Occupy Lives warrprayer Aug 2013 #59
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