2016 Postmortem

Marr

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51. Changing ones position is not, in and of itself, a good thing.

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:04 PM

Nov 2015

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Coming around to a progressive position is a good thing-- but the timing of these 'evolutions' suggest something about their sincerity.

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Interesting Double Standard Here [View all] berni_mccoy Nov 2015 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #1

They have no answer. They know if they try to explain they will betray their own bigotry. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #2

I find it odd that "wishy washy" is the term being applied here. Bubzer Nov 2015 #47

It's projection. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #94

"Staunch supporter of LGBT" rights and supporter of same-sex marriage are two different things, Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3

You are missing the main point: Sanders has NEVER opposed Same-Sex Marriage. And ONLY supported it. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #4

Yes, I understand and appreciate Sanders consistency and vision on that, but I do not take Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #6

political expedience, DianeK Nov 2015 #8

Like I said, I do not take offence to evolution on major issues, but that is an individual choice. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #9

I just have my doubts DianeK Nov 2015 #10

in other words, you like those behind the curve on so much stupidicus Nov 2015 #12

I find, as I've aged, my opinions have changed on numerous topics. Laser102 Nov 2015 #15

List two major issues that you've evolved on late in life. frylock Nov 2015 #17

+1 Totally agree. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #26

Gay marriage and single parenting. Laser102 Nov 2015 #31

Why would you have been against gay marriage or single parents to begin with? frylock Nov 2015 #43

I didn't know much about gay people. Until a show called Are You Being Served. Laser102 Nov 2015 #50

Good answer LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #55

Thank you for your honesty, it's refreshing. Agschmid Nov 2015 #84

I'll play awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #61

How old were you when you came around accepting to marriage equality? frylock Nov 2015 #62

About 40 awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #77

I'll keep that in my when deciding whether to vote for you in the Presidential election. frylock Nov 2015 #79

If people aren't capable awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #83

Thank you for your honesty here. Agschmid Nov 2015 #85

I was a dumb punk awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #86

I think your user name makes sense now. Agschmid Nov 2015 #87

It was the build up to the Iraq war... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #88

That's how I got here too. Agschmid Nov 2015 #89

I did 3 terms as a mod awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #92

And if you wanted to LEAD, people would be justified in noting how often you'd 'evolved' on issues Marr Nov 2015 #21

So we agree evolving is a winner? Laser102 Nov 2015 #35

Changing ones position is not, in and of itself, a good thing. Marr Nov 2015 #51

Precisely Kentonio Nov 2015 #63

Evolving shows weakness AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #90

I was very aware of liking boys and being liked by boys in the third grade. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #104

Hillary gets it right..... eventually. frylock Nov 2015 #16

She would be rudderless in the whitehouse AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #91

Maybe one doesn't "take offense" for evolutions on major issues but faced with a choice rhett o rick Nov 2015 #96

'Folks who came to the same position later on in life'-- specially, after the fight was over Marr Nov 2015 #20

That is not an argument, that is semantics. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #25

I can only assume you read that somewhere and thought it sounded cool. Marr Nov 2015 #30

I thought it up myself - how insulting! - and it does sound kind of cool. So, dibs! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #32

Again, HRC was counted among the opposition to gay marriage when her support was actually needed. Marr Nov 2015 #39

Actually, not that far back, he did say he supported civil unions, passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #105

Yes they are two different things, freedom and equality. You seriously think it is OK A Simple Game Nov 2015 #60

So you agree with the OP and merely trying to help them with "context"? nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #95

Her 'fans' are Faux pas Nov 2015 #5

Truer words. I have a Facebook friend (real life friend of a LibDemAlways Nov 2015 #14

It's crazy! Faux pas Nov 2015 #22

Egg-zakly AlbertCat Nov 2015 #58

Bernie is 'real' and true to his core beliefs. Faux pas Nov 2015 #113

"His entire argument is "Hillary is going to win" so everyone should support her." arcane1 Nov 2015 #57

Her fans are not lefties. n/t cui bono Nov 2015 #76

I think the double standard goes the other way around Sheepshank Nov 2015 #7

When did being responsive to evolving public opinion become a bad thing? Did I miss the memo? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #11

We are electing a leader zalinda Nov 2015 #18

I think arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg, is unproductive. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #27

Well, unproductive when it comes to seeing how Hillary changes stances to fit what she thinks will djean111 Nov 2015 #41

Thank you. zalinda Nov 2015 #44

Our elected officials lead, by following the will of the people Sheepshank Nov 2015 #40

So, you are okay with the will of the people zalinda Nov 2015 #80

Why did Bernie oppose marriage equality in VT as late as 2006? BainsBane Nov 2015 #102

Interesting analysis mdbl Nov 2015 #106

It shows a lack of core convictions AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #93

That is complete bullshit. Sanders has never opposed same-sex marriage. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #13

perfectly stated! Amimnoch Nov 2015 #28

"But we all know who will keep the partisan blinders upon their eyes." BeanMusical Nov 2015 #36

good post, thanks oldandhappy Nov 2015 #19

Because this is a campaign of false meme's and inuendo over facts. The DLC way. eom NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #23

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #24

Fortunately, public opinion and the Supreme Court have MineralMan Nov 2015 #29

It's not moot if she would have conservative stances on other issues berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #38

Both remain unresolved, actually. MineralMan Nov 2015 #49

Like racism is now 'over'? polly7 Nov 2015 #42

I clearly said that there are other issues of equality MineralMan Nov 2015 #45

You clearly said the issue was now moot. That is what I was replying to. polly7 Nov 2015 #46

Neither- ruffburr Nov 2015 #33

She changed her toon but still believe this: BeanMusical Nov 2015 #34

That must be the biased Politifact article from 09/22/15. SoapBox Nov 2015 #37

More Of This Coming Yallow Nov 2015 #48

DUers defending DOMA Prism Nov 2015 #52

if human sacrifices polled 51%, Hillary would be in favor tomorrow Doctor_J Nov 2015 #74

Jury Results oneshooter Nov 2015 #110

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #53

IMO many of the die hard hillary supporers are still pissed that she lost to obama bowens43 Nov 2015 #54

And many others hated her guts then, but love her now. arcane1 Nov 2015 #59

The Hillary supporter "sting" is here INdemo Nov 2015 #56

Hillary is no visionary that's for sure. azmom Nov 2015 #64

Sanders’ evolving and ‘wishy-washy’ stance on same-sex marriage Fla Dem Nov 2015 #65

We get it. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #66

My point, what does it matter. Fla Dem Nov 2015 #68

Nice Try, but fail. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #70

Good for him. Good for her. They're both where we want them to be now. nt Fla Dem Nov 2015 #71

Sanders has always been there. Clinton, well... berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #73

Just like Sanders has never opposed civil rights for POC... cascadiance Nov 2015 #107

HOW can ANYONE trust her?? Mind-boggling, really... AzDar Nov 2015 #67

And don't get me started on that Elizabeth Warren character! Sheesh! randome Nov 2015 #69

political Heathers doing what they were born to do bbgrunt Nov 2015 #72

Dear Berni and Berniacs...They're just trying to keep Bernie's vote suppressed. hedda_foil Nov 2015 #75

Exactly jfern Nov 2015 #78

So many Dems have been alienated by this type Zorra Nov 2015 #81

When Clinton is now even in polling with Ben Carson, you know we're in trouble... cascadiance Nov 2015 #108

Some of us say they both need improvement. Agschmid Nov 2015 #82

K & R L0oniX Nov 2015 #97

Hillary will say whatever is most convenient at the time for her own benefit. Back then it was cool whereisjustice Nov 2015 #98

It's not a double standard. You need two standards for a double standard Scootaloo Nov 2015 #99

He is on the record opposing marriage equality in Vermont in 2006 BainsBane Nov 2015 #100

That article infers support for civil unions berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #103

Hillary's campaign will use the kitchen sink to get the LGBT vote Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #101

The correct way to evaluate policies in the past BootinUp Nov 2015 #109

so continue on the same path, forever Doctor_J Nov 2015 #112

K/R UglyGreed Nov 2015 #111

Post about supporters alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #114