2016 Postmortem

Jennifer Kay

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65. Agree to disagree,

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:08 AM

Aug 2015

Totally agree, NNU cites an internal poll.
IAM claims that they incorporated different demographics, but it is not in the breakdown of the results they provide.
There is lack of transparency of both unions to provide valid evidence to back up their endorsement choices.

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Machinists Union Members Outraged Over Hillary Clinton Endorsement, Say They Want Bernie Sanders [View all] Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 OP

Like clockwork DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #1

Yep. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #3

I'm shocked I tell you ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #69

They already conducted a poll of union members and they preferred Hillary over Bernie: Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #2

I have a question DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #7

Unfortunately, it appears many Bernie supporters just can't accept reality Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #11

I keep them in my prayers, that they might find wisdom. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #13

So true n/t Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #15

So far, the weirdest part of DU for me is... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #20

+1. vote doesnt matter, bernie should win just cause. or something. seabeyond Aug 2015 #25

I was about to go looking for that. moobu2 Aug 2015 #17

Your missing something, Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #27

Post #2 and the op goes down. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #49

I read 71% of the member were for Clinton awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #72

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Aug 2015 #4

... HFRN Aug 2015 #6

bart!...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #9

I am not pointing fingers... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #32

This. Agschmid Aug 2015 #12

Again, and again, and again... revmclaren Aug 2015 #53

Are you saying the other 29% of the member surveyed should have their choice or do we still deal Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #5

It's 6 to 1 for Hillary. Oops ,they didn't poll table 4 at Joe's Bar and Grill. oasis Aug 2015 #8

A few disgruntled dead enders not equal a revolt. Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #68

You mean 70ish people.... AngryParakeet Aug 2015 #10

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? Maedhros Aug 2015 #21

Cool story! nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #14

I see you have outraged the right people here PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #16

You mean back don't you? revmclaren Aug 2015 #55

LOL. "wrote one person claiming to be a member on the union's Facebook page" DanTex Aug 2015 #18

Research the facts before LOLing Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #23

Assuming a sufficiently random sampling, yes. mythology Aug 2015 #26

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #30

They are polls Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #36

Please just stop mythology Aug 2015 #66

Yes, if the sample was random, it is actually a quite large same dsc Aug 2015 #28

Lol Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #39

that is just plain, flat out, gold carat false dsc Aug 2015 #43

Aaaand *crickets* Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #64

Do you understand how polling works? You know random sampling, margin of error, all that... DanTex Aug 2015 #33

Depending how it was done... NCTraveler Aug 2015 #51

Democracy is how unions work. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #19

Is this democratic? Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #24

Well, it could be a statistically valid sample, depending upon how the sample was chosen, BUT PatrickforO Aug 2015 #31

are you going to pay for the 1 million plus ballots? dsc Aug 2015 #45

Two words: email survey. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #47

then all of you complaining now dsc Aug 2015 #50

No, but the problem here is we don't know exactly what methodology was used to choose the sample PatrickforO Aug 2015 #52

we have no idea the methodology of any of them dsc Aug 2015 #54

Agree to disagree, Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #65

you are consistent dsc Aug 2015 #70

Indeed. Considering that this union happens to be a top Bernie donor organization anacodainfl Aug 2015 #59

then what about the nurses dsc Aug 2015 #61

Now it's disgusting? How its always been. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #40

How aabout the nurses union? How did they endorse Sanders? lunamagica Aug 2015 #58

they did the same, exact, precise thing dsc Aug 2015 #62

So, the exact same methodology used, when it favor Sanders, it is accurate, but when it favors lunamagica Aug 2015 #63

Sorry Sonder, no reason to pull a sample when you have easy access to the whole membership database. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #34

Sorry Pat, that's how its always been. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #41

That's not how it has always been because I do these kinds of studies. If you have the WHOLE PatrickforO Aug 2015 #44

It's a test. Bernie vs Hillary/Jeb/Walker/whathaveyou. Ron Green Aug 2015 #22

OK. This union has over 500,000 members, but a few months ago, the leaders PatrickforO Aug 2015 #29

the nurses union which endorsed Bernie did the same, exact, precise thing dsc Aug 2015 #46

But why in the world would Union members object to endorsing a candidate who Indepatriot Aug 2015 #35

She voted against CAFTA BainsBane Aug 2015 #38

Here are the results of the election survey of union members BainsBane Aug 2015 #37

Omg, Jennifer Kay Aug 2015 #42

they do state that the poll was a random one dsc Aug 2015 #48

You seem to be confused BainsBane Aug 2015 #60

I couldn't be more proud of my fellow Hillary Clinton supporters. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #56

Did you catch a clue that Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters don't like your post? delrem Aug 2015 #57

Sorry they polled members and she won MaggieD Aug 2015 #67

71% of the members awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #71