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2016 Postmortem

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Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:50 PM Jul 2015

It's just a number, right, Hillary? [View all]

...bullshit. It's the difference between food and medicine; utilities or shelter; gas or a replacement pair of shoes or clothing to replace the worn, hole-filled ones.

— Fresh off a meeting with national labor leaders, Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday spoke favorably about legislation to raise the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour, tacitly dismissing proposals by her two leading Democratic competitors who have called for a bigger increase.

Speaking with reporters, Mrs. Clinton singled out legislation proposed by Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington, that would establish a $12-an-hour minimum nationwide.

As she has in the past, Mrs. Clinton did not explicitly offer a figure she would like to see adopted, but implied that certain measures, like Ms. Murray’s, were more realistic than others: Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and former Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland, Mrs. Clinton’s rivals in the Democratic field, both support raising the minimum to $15 an hour.

“Let’s not just do it for the sake of having a higher number out there,” she said. “But let’s get behind a proposal that actually has a chance of succeeding.”


This is the problem with the millionaire class of legislators in Washington - higher wages for workers in America are just an abstraction to them; just a number. For workers, however, higher wages are a reality of sustenance and survival. Hard for someone who drops hundreds of dollars on a haircut, perhaps, to understand. If that seems like a cheap shot, that's just tough. Quibbling and hedging over a higher minimum wage for the millions who rely on that income to survive is a slap in the face of the working-class from elitists grown too accustomed to fattening their already swollen bank accounts from feeding off the public and corporate dole.

Disgusting. Get off of your privileged perch. Stand up and fight for us.
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It's more than most campaign interns get on any campaign. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1
Hillary is doing a fine job for the greedy class daybranch Jul 2015 #40
Yes it's hard to scrape by on $10.10 an hour. Agschmid Jul 2015 #42
I hope you are being sarcastic. $10.10 an hour is an insult. Poverty kills. People need a living rhett o rick Jul 2015 #60
It is sarcasm but remember it's what our candidates pay their interns... Agschmid Jul 2015 #64
Well no one should have to be a slave or a wage slave and those wages are slave wages. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #65
Senator Sanders is paying the $10.10. Agschmid Jul 2015 #66
I assume you have a link to show that's what he is paying. He might have trouble rhett o rick Jul 2015 #67
Why yes I do... Agschmid Jul 2015 #69
I am not familiar with that source but if true I am disappointed. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #70
Sevendays is a reputable weekly paper from Burlington, VT. Agschmid Aug 2015 #71
I really wish I was negotiating against Clinton. jeff47 Jul 2015 #2
She sure does. That's the problem. LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #5
Yes, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt that her statement was truthful. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #6
I agree emsimon33 Jul 2015 #11
What she doesn't understand is that sometimes you have to tilt against the windmills, like PatrickforO Jul 2015 #19
What I hear her saying is that the corporations will never pay $15 min wage and therefore, get used rhett o rick Jul 2015 #61
She doesn't seem to be aware of the nation-wide MOVEMENT for a LIVING WAGE sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #34
wow for once I can agree with you ibegurpard Jul 2015 #3
And supporters here were insisting she was behind the $15 per hour movement Hydra Jul 2015 #4
K&R. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #7
What's wrong with a $600 haircut? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #8
When 1 in 4 children under 18 are in poverty, and 25 million Americans go hungry in any given month: PatrickforO Jul 2015 #21
Yeah but she earn the money and it's hers so... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #45
Here is all you need to know about HIllary and her base: bvar22 Jul 2015 #59
Murray is a DINO emsimon33 Jul 2015 #9
After Murray voted, I took myself off her mailing list artislife Jul 2015 #13
Murray lost my support when she pushed back against impeachment rally in Olympia chknltl Jul 2015 #18
+100% Enthusiast Jul 2015 #58
This is so condescending Report1212 Jul 2015 #10
wow. does she really think restorefreedom Jul 2015 #12
+1 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #28
right. i mean she is supposedly trying to get votes now! nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #39
Sanders and O'Malley: Why can't they be more "realistic"? HappyPlace Jul 2015 #14
Let's see, if Hillary makes $250,000 for one speaking engagement then it would take someone jalan48 Jul 2015 #15
I could see how it might seem a little tone-deaf. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #16
Don't worry, we have a ready-to-go-answer for anyone feeling this was tone deaf... tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #17
An alll purpose apology whathehell Jul 2015 #55
How in the *FUCK* Aerows Jul 2015 #62
It's a 25% difference. The difference between starving and living. delrem Jul 2015 #20
"Hard for someone who drops hundreds of dollars on a haircut," MyNameGoesHere Jul 2015 #22
there just is no fucking there, there. delrem Jul 2015 #23
Negotiation is not settling for less at the beginning of your negotiation tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #24
That's assuming she's negotiating on behalf of workers vs employers n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #51
Hillary will get off her privileged perch when I join the 1%. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #25
Most of the propsals for $15 are in 2020. She could one up them by proposing $75/hour Hoyt Jul 2015 #26
The problem here ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #27
I make $13 an hour and my wife makes $10 part time bigtree Jul 2015 #30
The dismissal of your pay issue by the 2 posters above you is ugly because neverforget Jul 2015 #31
Please note ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #32
ah, well bigtree Jul 2015 #35
hear hear ... Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #74
if she has a chance at $12 bigtree Jul 2015 #29
Sanders is supporting $12/hour in 2018. I think Clinton is supporting Hoyt Jul 2015 #33
not too myopic to see Murray's base proposal of $12 is for 2020 bigtree Jul 2015 #36
I'm fine with 15, or more. But it's got to pass. $15 in Seattle ot LA, is equivalent to $12 Hoyt Jul 2015 #38
"all the rest is just noise" 2banon Aug 2015 #85
People who have never lived on minimum wage haven't a clue. SheilaT Jul 2015 #37
She should be like Bernie and make empty promises. moobu2 Jul 2015 #41
K&R. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #43
K & R L0oniX Jul 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #46
The GOP House won't care how much any candidate "fights" or whether you think it's disgusting. stevenleser Jul 2015 #47
you were fine until you called this 'manufactured outrage' bigtree Jul 2015 #48
It's manufactured outrage to make this a nomination issue where one is better than the other. stevenleser Jul 2015 #49
Antonio Porchia: Voces (1943) Snotcicles Jul 2015 #56
And yet, O'Malley as Governor left in place the 'tipped employee wage' routine, and while he did Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #82
How are we supposed to convince the GOP to vote for $15 when we can't even convince Democrats? Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #76
All Democrats are convinced. That's not the issue. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #77
But Hillary refuses to endorse a $15 national minimum wage ? Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #78
Of course she's convinced. She isn't convinced $15 would pass. And I'm not convinced stevenleser Aug 2015 #79
Nope. Clinton favors local efforts but wouldn't endorse a national $15 Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #80
Yep, I'm right. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #83
Yeah I just showed you a statement from Hillary Clinton explaining why Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #84
Haircut, you brought up her expeses for getting a haircut?!?!?!? Persondem Jul 2015 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #53
John Edwards did have a damn good haircut though. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #54
"she doesn't pucker up and kiss the backside of every liberal cause that comes down the pike." beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #57
A real 12 versus a fantasy 15 ... you can't help your family with imaginary money Persondem Aug 2015 #72
Spoken like an indignant self righteous member of the privileged class 2banon Aug 2015 #86
You know zero about me Bern-bot. Persondem Aug 2015 #88
Au Contraire. You reveal yourself so explicitly, ye protector and defender of the 1%. 2banon Aug 2015 #89
And "TPP" are just letters....[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #52
Her policy statements lately are delivered in a flat voice almost with an accusing tone.... KoKo Jul 2015 #63
Vote for Hillary because we all want to be in the 1% gang. L0oniX Jul 2015 #68
So what's Martin O'Malley paying his campaign staff? Agschmid Aug 2015 #73
We really need to have someone who makes $200,000/hr tell explain how $15 is too much for the people Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #75
Maybe the abstraction is pushing a policy that has no chance of passing... brooklynite Aug 2015 #81
You could start at $15 and if it doesn't pass then you could compromise to $13 or $12. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #87
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