2016 Postmortem

rbnyc

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164. Woo Hoo! Let's just give up!

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:49 AM

Jun 2015

Last edited Mon Jun 22, 2015, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

He's very realistic about what the obstacles are and will confront those obstacles directly.

But he will need all of us to be leaders in this political revolution.

Seems hard, right?

Of fucking course it's going to be hard and it senes unlikely. But is it worth working for?

Everything seems unlikely until it happens. And we increase the likelihood of something happening by visualizing it and working for it.

We decrease the likelihood of something happening by putting energy into the opposite manifestation.

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What I'd like to say to anyone who likes Bernie best but is afraid he's unelectable... [View all] rbnyc Jun 2015 OP

I'm with you. I try not to give much time to the noise machine out there. Work hard Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #1

I am with you. And - some advice to noise machine - multiple DEEPLY CONCERNED OPs by djean111 Jun 2015 #2

True and it can take away from legitimate concerns that must be defined by the candidates Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #20

+100 heaven05 Jun 2015 #23

Thank you. I intend to push my reps and candidates on this and I hope Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #25

pushing..... heaven05 Jun 2015 #29

Absolutely. It is frustrating for many of us, I do believe we have a wealth of available Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #33

When you say +100 I hope you mean supporters in Congress... cyberpj Jun 2015 #133

IT's pretty obvious that some simply fear his message AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #169

I am not convinced that Bernie is at all viable in a general election contest Gothmog Jun 2015 #3

There are more of us than them. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #4

GOTV operations take money Gothmog Jun 2015 #6

No they don't RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #8

You should be a better person to talk to. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #11

No, they are not. That is simply fact. Thor_MN Jun 2015 #42

That works if we all turnout to vote Gothmog Jun 2015 #77

The best things in life are free. rbnyc Jun 2015 #5

We are in the primary phase Gothmog Jun 2015 #9

He has the best chance... rbnyc Jun 2015 #10

One thing is guaranteed not to get Bernie elected... CTyankee Jun 2015 #16

thank you heaven05 Jun 2015 #28

easy for me to say I guess. Here in blue CT Bernie will probably have really high CTyankee Jun 2015 #30

You are free to do so and I will concentrate me efforts where I think is best Gothmog Jun 2015 #78

I applaud your efforts. If I were you I would probably do the same thing. CTyankee Jun 2015 #84

This polling is a little dated but is still interesting Gothmog Jun 2015 #94

A LITTLE dated?!?!?! RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #105

I worked on the Obama campaign in Texas in 2008 Gothmog Jun 2015 #120

Good. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #121

My mind is not totally made up Gothmog Jun 2015 #132

I hope that you put your biggest effort into electing Democratic legislators to the Senate and House jwirr Jun 2015 #100

Right now, we have to fight the gerrymandered districts and the voter id law Gothmog Jun 2015 #123

Defeatism AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #148

Not at all-I have a candidate who I am happy with who I think is viable Gothmog Jun 2015 #159

Why is money your concern? RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #7

We've been trained... rbnyc Jun 2015 #12

Funny... RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #41

WOW THIS!!!!!!!! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #96

thanks rbnyc Jun 2015 #127

Tomorrow BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #136

I did it. rbnyc Jul 2015 #168

It takes a great deal of money to run a viable campaign Gothmog Jun 2015 #76

Yes it does, BUT RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #85

Negative advertising works Gothmog Jun 2015 #92

People hate negative advertising. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #103

It did work. But in 2008 it did not. People are sick and tired of negative campaigning and politics jwirr Jun 2015 #104

So we should run corporate candidates? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #170

Better questions might be, "Why assume that large numbers of people who are willing to winter is coming Jul 2015 #173

By using the power of the people heaven05 Jun 2015 #26

how much did Carly Fiorini outspend her opponent by? magical thyme Jun 2015 #31

Boxer outspent Fiorina in 2010 Gothmog Jun 2015 #74

That's going to leave a mark. onenote Jun 2015 #128

whoa...I conflated multiple different memories magical thyme Jul 2015 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Jul 2015 #186

Ideas will win out over money. tonybgood Jun 2015 #34

The wealthy candidates should be exposed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #66

So does this mean we can stop worrying about the CU decision? onenote Jun 2015 #129

Candidates who take big money should be shamed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #160

At least Bernie has the common sense not to "do a Nader." maddiemom Jun 2015 #35

Precisely... Yurovsky Jun 2015 #161

Although we need to get rid of Citizens United, as long as the really big donors maddiemom Jun 2015 #39

It is sad that we have to live in a world post Citizens United where money is so important Gothmog Jun 2015 #73

Even President Obama had to use a super pac in 2012 Gothmog Jul 2015 #183

Candidates who accept 'big dollar' donations should be shamed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #44

That is not how the world works post-Citizens United Gothmog Jun 2015 #72

There should be a a 'big money shame meter' Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #75

Shame is not a part of current politics Gothmog Jul 2015 #181

Not to mention all the millions of small shareholders aligned against democracy. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #48

Small contributions are great and President Obama won in 2008 with small contributions Gothmog Jul 2015 #180

Very true. For me its a matter of dying on my feet than living on my knees. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #195

Yeah, that's why Romney won in 2012. jeff47 Jun 2015 #54

Obama raised a ton of money in 2012 and kept the spending close Gothmog Jun 2015 #71

Close to Romney. Add in the super-PACs, and Romney's side spent WAY more. jeff47 Jun 2015 #80

Massively? onenote Jun 2015 #130

Now add in the rest of the super-PACs. Like the Koch brothers that was in the post I replied to. jeff47 Jun 2015 #138

President Obama had his own super pacs and kept the contest close Gothmog Jul 2015 #179

Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote... Those anti-free trade votes will be back this time! cascadiance Jun 2015 #83

Perot played on the dislike of GHW Bush a great deal Gothmog Jul 2015 #178

Perrot represented more the anti-NAFTA vote than the anti-Bush vote... cascadiance Jul 2015 #193

He's not Stuckinthebush Jun 2015 #86

Negative advertising works and without a well financed campaign the Kochs would bury Sanders Gothmog Jun 2015 #93

What type of negative advertising do you think will be used against Sanders? frylock Jun 2015 #108

By the Kochs and the GOP nominee? Gothmog Jun 2015 #119

Sanders will assuage those fears with his plain-spoken truth.. frylock Jun 2015 #122

How? You need money to fight negative ads Gothmog Jun 2015 #139

Defeatism AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #149

The media is claiming money is the most important thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #95

Keep in mind that when CU was decided almost everyone here said the same thing. onenote Jun 2015 #131

CU isn't a guarantee of anything but corruption. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #134

So its not about fear of buying elections? onenote Jun 2015 #135

And yet negative ads work and I fear that the Kochs can bury Sanders with negative ads Gothmog Jul 2015 #177

Your right. Look how well they worked against Obama.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #185

Unfortunately that is also true of Hillary. If we are going to fight this fight on a who has the jwirr Jun 2015 #98

Not really in that Hillary Clinton should be able to compete with and keep the money fight close Gothmog Jul 2015 #176

I wasn't referring to Bernie. She can sell her soul but she is not going to be able to keep up with jwirr Jul 2015 #194

Any Democratic nominee will be competing against those resources. LWolf Jul 2015 #172

Without sufficient financial resources, I fear that Sanders will not be able to compete Gothmog Jul 2015 #175

On the other hand, LWolf Jul 2015 #184

How does work if Sanders lacks the financial resources to respond to negative ads? Gothmog Jul 2015 #187

I think that Sanders will respond LWolf Jul 2015 #188

Actually, I think he is quite possibly the most electable candidate NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #13

I agree with you. Dawgs Jun 2015 #17

Agreed. cui bono Jun 2015 #99

I have only one request here. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2015 #14

I won't stay home... rbnyc Jun 2015 #18

I would not ever do anything to help a Republican in any fashion..they have proven lethal Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #36

Keep in mind many of us are in states that would not be competitive for Clinton. jeff47 Jun 2015 #56

In states like your's it is still important to work on local elections - if you can get anyone on jwirr Jun 2015 #110

Yes, note I didn't say I would stay home. Just that my president vote is probably meaningless. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #115

I used to be in that position when I lived in Iowa. Really a helpless feeling. jwirr Jun 2015 #116

Progressives are activists. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #189

Sanders is making an impact. ananda Jun 2015 #15

The problem when we default to someone because he/she is "more electable" bulloney Jun 2015 #19

Exactly. freedom fighter jh Jun 2015 #38

+1 Well said. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #97

He is so popular on the Internet newfie11 Jun 2015 #21

last line, so true heaven05 Jun 2015 #22

I believe Bernie has the youth vote. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #24

Correct. And the young should be actively engaged since their futures appalachiablue Jun 2015 #102

I will be with my daughter on her 18th birthday at her voter registration, she will vote for Bernie Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #109

That's wonderful about your daughter, so glad to hear it. The uphill battle they've appalachiablue Jun 2015 #112

I always took my kids to vote with me when they were little. It rubs off on them! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #114

It does rub off on them, a great tradition to start early! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #124

A few months ago, when it was beginning to look like SheilaT Jun 2015 #27

Here is a thread on Bernie's electability, starting with a video of Bernie's own words on the matter merrily Jun 2015 #32

I agree, the "unelectable" meme is nothing more than a talking point NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #55

Actually, it is NOT about us. IT IS ABOUT THE INDEPENDENTS... Herman4747 Jun 2015 #37

If Obama could get 9 million Republicans to switch over to him in '08, why would that Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #40

When you are running for President & the Unemployment rate is 10 percent Herman4747 Jun 2015 #45

The middle class is ripe for the taking, where are they going to go for relief? That is my point. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #51

I am an Independent. bullsnarfle Jun 2015 #43

Well, That is Great!! Herman4747 Jun 2015 #47

Heck, dude, in my corner of Florida bullsnarfle Jun 2015 #63

If the people were willing to try the Tea Party robots... U of M Dem Jun 2015 #49

Independents are not what you think they are. jeff47 Jun 2015 #50

Maybe you should think a little more DEEPLY, buddy Herman4747 Jun 2015 #65

I'm afraid it's you who are being shallow. jeff47 Jun 2015 #67

Seldom do I encounter someone SO BREATHTAKINGLY ARROGANT Herman4747 Jun 2015 #82

What Bernie means by socialism . . . freedom fighter jh Jun 2015 #59

Indies and Republicans seem very receptive to things Bernie is saying, more than Hillary supporters. merrily Jun 2015 #68

To answer your last question, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #191

I favor Bernie Sanders and I am prepared to vote for any Democratic candidate for President. gordianot Jun 2015 #46

There's a better way to show he's electable: basic math. jeff47 Jun 2015 #52

Ask the people of Vermont if he's electable. JeffHead Jun 2015 #53

In 1979 maindawg Jun 2015 #57

Powerfully said, thank you. The gutting and abandonment of industrial and small town America appalachiablue Jun 2015 #118

Fake is Caitlin Jenner. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #146

Spot on. zentrum Jun 2015 #58

I am not afraid that he is unelectable. That is nothing to fear; it's a fact. Persondem Jun 2015 #60

That's not a fact. That's an opinion. (nt) Ino Jun 2015 #64

You are dreaming. The anti Bernie ads write themselves Persondem Jun 2015 #87

Did you think Barack Hussein Obama was unelectable too? (nt) Ino Jun 2015 #88

Not at all. Obama had a much more resonent message. Is a better Persondem Jun 2015 #90

"Hope" and "change" AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #151

I am not championing anything. I am saying that the voting public Persondem Jun 2015 #157

I have spoken to people... rbnyc Jun 2015 #91

I believe that you are wrong. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #107

Oh, Bernie is great on the issues and I do not mind the Socialist tag one bit ... Persondem Jun 2015 #111

If he beats Hillary in the primaries AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #150

No way. See post #87. Not sure what world you are living in.nt Persondem Jun 2015 #158

Time to step up! weknowvino2 Jun 2015 #61

Thank you. We can win. azmom Jun 2015 #79

I don't know how anyone can use the word "unelectable" Ino Jun 2015 #62

+1 nt rbnyc Jun 2015 #70

And in 2008, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #192

If Perot hadn't run and the Clinton had run against NAFTA... cascadiance Jun 2015 #69

This is a fight for democracy itself. This is not the time azmom Jun 2015 #81

See post #87. nt Persondem Jun 2015 #89

And if you are really sincere, do what Bernie does, almost NEVER criticize or even mention randys1 Jun 2015 #101

I'm worried. Maybe I've watched too many movies like "The Ides of March" and TV series like "House AikidoSoul Jun 2015 #106

i'm worried too, but i'm optimistic. DesertFlower Jun 2015 #140

I'm with Bernie! yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #113

If we out-organize the money, he wins eridani Jun 2015 #117

Have you all forgotten WHOM we are running against? MFM008 Jun 2015 #125

All the more reason for us to be LOUD and PROUD TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #156

The Democratic nominee will win HassleCat Jun 2015 #126

And your target audience are rank and file Dems ... who already plan to vote for Hillary ... JoePhilly Jun 2015 #137

Senator Sanders Thespian2 Jun 2015 #141

I'd rate his chances differently creeksneakers2 Jun 2015 #142

K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #143

I get this from what I'll call "Democratic progeny"... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #144

Very Well Said The Roux Comes First Jun 2015 #145

All you Bernie backers, please read Dr. Xavier Jun 2015 #147

Cept, it isn't 1972 anymore AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #152

And the Dem nominee won't be running against an incumbent. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #174

So in oder to win... rbnyc Jun 2015 #155

hell to the yes! mike_c Jun 2015 #153

Need Bernie Sprinkles Throughout SujiwanKenobee Jun 2015 #154

If you elect him, prepare to see him become no more progressive as a President than Obama. Arkana Jun 2015 #162

Woo Hoo! Let's just give up! rbnyc Jun 2015 #164

I didn't say "give up" Arkana Jun 2015 #165

Fair enough, but your reply brings up... rbnyc Jun 2015 #166

they also thought an "inexperienced aa senator" couldn't win either restorefreedom Jun 2015 #163

the "inevitability" meme has given way to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme. nt antigop Jun 2015 #167

Well stated. 99Forever Jul 2015 #171

the irony of all of this olddots Jul 2015 #182