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Gothmog

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76. It takes a great deal of money to run a viable campaign

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Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:38 PM

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What I'd like to say to anyone who likes Bernie best but is afraid he's unelectable... [View all] rbnyc Jun 2015 OP

I'm with you. I try not to give much time to the noise machine out there. Work hard Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #1

I am with you. And - some advice to noise machine - multiple DEEPLY CONCERNED OPs by djean111 Jun 2015 #2

True and it can take away from legitimate concerns that must be defined by the candidates Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #20

+100 heaven05 Jun 2015 #23

Thank you. I intend to push my reps and candidates on this and I hope Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #25

pushing..... heaven05 Jun 2015 #29

Absolutely. It is frustrating for many of us, I do believe we have a wealth of available Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #33

When you say +100 I hope you mean supporters in Congress... cyberpj Jun 2015 #133

IT's pretty obvious that some simply fear his message AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #169

I am not convinced that Bernie is at all viable in a general election contest Gothmog Jun 2015 #3

There are more of us than them. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #4

GOTV operations take money Gothmog Jun 2015 #6

No they don't RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #8

You should be a better person to talk to. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #11

No, they are not. That is simply fact. Thor_MN Jun 2015 #42

That works if we all turnout to vote Gothmog Jun 2015 #77

The best things in life are free. rbnyc Jun 2015 #5

We are in the primary phase Gothmog Jun 2015 #9

He has the best chance... rbnyc Jun 2015 #10

One thing is guaranteed not to get Bernie elected... CTyankee Jun 2015 #16

thank you heaven05 Jun 2015 #28

easy for me to say I guess. Here in blue CT Bernie will probably have really high CTyankee Jun 2015 #30

You are free to do so and I will concentrate me efforts where I think is best Gothmog Jun 2015 #78

I applaud your efforts. If I were you I would probably do the same thing. CTyankee Jun 2015 #84

This polling is a little dated but is still interesting Gothmog Jun 2015 #94

A LITTLE dated?!?!?! RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #105

I worked on the Obama campaign in Texas in 2008 Gothmog Jun 2015 #120

Good. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #121

My mind is not totally made up Gothmog Jun 2015 #132

I hope that you put your biggest effort into electing Democratic legislators to the Senate and House jwirr Jun 2015 #100

Right now, we have to fight the gerrymandered districts and the voter id law Gothmog Jun 2015 #123

Defeatism AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #148

Not at all-I have a candidate who I am happy with who I think is viable Gothmog Jun 2015 #159

Why is money your concern? RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #7

We've been trained... rbnyc Jun 2015 #12

Funny... RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #41

WOW THIS!!!!!!!! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #96

thanks rbnyc Jun 2015 #127

Tomorrow BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #136

I did it. rbnyc Jul 2015 #168

It takes a great deal of money to run a viable campaign Gothmog Jun 2015 #76

Yes it does, BUT RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #85

Negative advertising works Gothmog Jun 2015 #92

People hate negative advertising. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #103

It did work. But in 2008 it did not. People are sick and tired of negative campaigning and politics jwirr Jun 2015 #104

So we should run corporate candidates? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #170

Better questions might be, "Why assume that large numbers of people who are willing to winter is coming Jul 2015 #173

By using the power of the people heaven05 Jun 2015 #26

how much did Carly Fiorini outspend her opponent by? magical thyme Jun 2015 #31

Boxer outspent Fiorina in 2010 Gothmog Jun 2015 #74

That's going to leave a mark. onenote Jun 2015 #128

whoa...I conflated multiple different memories magical thyme Jul 2015 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Jul 2015 #186

Ideas will win out over money. tonybgood Jun 2015 #34

The wealthy candidates should be exposed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #66

So does this mean we can stop worrying about the CU decision? onenote Jun 2015 #129

Candidates who take big money should be shamed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #160

At least Bernie has the common sense not to "do a Nader." maddiemom Jun 2015 #35

Precisely... Yurovsky Jun 2015 #161

Although we need to get rid of Citizens United, as long as the really big donors maddiemom Jun 2015 #39

It is sad that we have to live in a world post Citizens United where money is so important Gothmog Jun 2015 #73

Even President Obama had to use a super pac in 2012 Gothmog Jul 2015 #183

Candidates who accept 'big dollar' donations should be shamed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #44

That is not how the world works post-Citizens United Gothmog Jun 2015 #72

There should be a a 'big money shame meter' Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #75

Shame is not a part of current politics Gothmog Jul 2015 #181

Not to mention all the millions of small shareholders aligned against democracy. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #48

Small contributions are great and President Obama won in 2008 with small contributions Gothmog Jul 2015 #180

Very true. For me its a matter of dying on my feet than living on my knees. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #195

Yeah, that's why Romney won in 2012. jeff47 Jun 2015 #54

Obama raised a ton of money in 2012 and kept the spending close Gothmog Jun 2015 #71

Close to Romney. Add in the super-PACs, and Romney's side spent WAY more. jeff47 Jun 2015 #80

Massively? onenote Jun 2015 #130

Now add in the rest of the super-PACs. Like the Koch brothers that was in the post I replied to. jeff47 Jun 2015 #138

President Obama had his own super pacs and kept the contest close Gothmog Jul 2015 #179

Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote... Those anti-free trade votes will be back this time! cascadiance Jun 2015 #83

Perot played on the dislike of GHW Bush a great deal Gothmog Jul 2015 #178

Perrot represented more the anti-NAFTA vote than the anti-Bush vote... cascadiance Jul 2015 #193

He's not Stuckinthebush Jun 2015 #86

Negative advertising works and without a well financed campaign the Kochs would bury Sanders Gothmog Jun 2015 #93

What type of negative advertising do you think will be used against Sanders? frylock Jun 2015 #108

By the Kochs and the GOP nominee? Gothmog Jun 2015 #119

Sanders will assuage those fears with his plain-spoken truth.. frylock Jun 2015 #122

How? You need money to fight negative ads Gothmog Jun 2015 #139

Defeatism AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #149

The media is claiming money is the most important thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #95

Keep in mind that when CU was decided almost everyone here said the same thing. onenote Jun 2015 #131

CU isn't a guarantee of anything but corruption. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #134

So its not about fear of buying elections? onenote Jun 2015 #135

And yet negative ads work and I fear that the Kochs can bury Sanders with negative ads Gothmog Jul 2015 #177

Your right. Look how well they worked against Obama.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #185

Unfortunately that is also true of Hillary. If we are going to fight this fight on a who has the jwirr Jun 2015 #98

Not really in that Hillary Clinton should be able to compete with and keep the money fight close Gothmog Jul 2015 #176

I wasn't referring to Bernie. She can sell her soul but she is not going to be able to keep up with jwirr Jul 2015 #194

Any Democratic nominee will be competing against those resources. LWolf Jul 2015 #172

Without sufficient financial resources, I fear that Sanders will not be able to compete Gothmog Jul 2015 #175

On the other hand, LWolf Jul 2015 #184

How does work if Sanders lacks the financial resources to respond to negative ads? Gothmog Jul 2015 #187

I think that Sanders will respond LWolf Jul 2015 #188

Actually, I think he is quite possibly the most electable candidate NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #13

I agree with you. Dawgs Jun 2015 #17

Agreed. cui bono Jun 2015 #99

I have only one request here. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2015 #14

I won't stay home... rbnyc Jun 2015 #18

I would not ever do anything to help a Republican in any fashion..they have proven lethal Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #36

Keep in mind many of us are in states that would not be competitive for Clinton. jeff47 Jun 2015 #56

In states like your's it is still important to work on local elections - if you can get anyone on jwirr Jun 2015 #110

Yes, note I didn't say I would stay home. Just that my president vote is probably meaningless. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #115

I used to be in that position when I lived in Iowa. Really a helpless feeling. jwirr Jun 2015 #116

Progressives are activists. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #189

Sanders is making an impact. ananda Jun 2015 #15

The problem when we default to someone because he/she is "more electable" bulloney Jun 2015 #19

Exactly. freedom fighter jh Jun 2015 #38

+1 Well said. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #97

He is so popular on the Internet newfie11 Jun 2015 #21

last line, so true heaven05 Jun 2015 #22

I believe Bernie has the youth vote. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #24

Correct. And the young should be actively engaged since their futures appalachiablue Jun 2015 #102

I will be with my daughter on her 18th birthday at her voter registration, she will vote for Bernie Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #109

That's wonderful about your daughter, so glad to hear it. The uphill battle they've appalachiablue Jun 2015 #112

I always took my kids to vote with me when they were little. It rubs off on them! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #114

It does rub off on them, a great tradition to start early! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #124

A few months ago, when it was beginning to look like SheilaT Jun 2015 #27

Here is a thread on Bernie's electability, starting with a video of Bernie's own words on the matter merrily Jun 2015 #32

I agree, the "unelectable" meme is nothing more than a talking point NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #55

Actually, it is NOT about us. IT IS ABOUT THE INDEPENDENTS... Herman4747 Jun 2015 #37

If Obama could get 9 million Republicans to switch over to him in '08, why would that Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #40

When you are running for President & the Unemployment rate is 10 percent Herman4747 Jun 2015 #45

The middle class is ripe for the taking, where are they going to go for relief? That is my point. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #51

I am an Independent. bullsnarfle Jun 2015 #43

Well, That is Great!! Herman4747 Jun 2015 #47

Heck, dude, in my corner of Florida bullsnarfle Jun 2015 #63

If the people were willing to try the Tea Party robots... U of M Dem Jun 2015 #49

Independents are not what you think they are. jeff47 Jun 2015 #50

Maybe you should think a little more DEEPLY, buddy Herman4747 Jun 2015 #65

I'm afraid it's you who are being shallow. jeff47 Jun 2015 #67

Seldom do I encounter someone SO BREATHTAKINGLY ARROGANT Herman4747 Jun 2015 #82

What Bernie means by socialism . . . freedom fighter jh Jun 2015 #59

Indies and Republicans seem very receptive to things Bernie is saying, more than Hillary supporters. merrily Jun 2015 #68

To answer your last question, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #191

I favor Bernie Sanders and I am prepared to vote for any Democratic candidate for President. gordianot Jun 2015 #46

There's a better way to show he's electable: basic math. jeff47 Jun 2015 #52

Ask the people of Vermont if he's electable. JeffHead Jun 2015 #53

In 1979 maindawg Jun 2015 #57

Powerfully said, thank you. The gutting and abandonment of industrial and small town America appalachiablue Jun 2015 #118

Fake is Caitlin Jenner. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #146

Spot on. zentrum Jun 2015 #58

I am not afraid that he is unelectable. That is nothing to fear; it's a fact. Persondem Jun 2015 #60

That's not a fact. That's an opinion. (nt) Ino Jun 2015 #64

You are dreaming. The anti Bernie ads write themselves Persondem Jun 2015 #87

Did you think Barack Hussein Obama was unelectable too? (nt) Ino Jun 2015 #88

Not at all. Obama had a much more resonent message. Is a better Persondem Jun 2015 #90

"Hope" and "change" AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #151

I am not championing anything. I am saying that the voting public Persondem Jun 2015 #157

I have spoken to people... rbnyc Jun 2015 #91

I believe that you are wrong. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #107

Oh, Bernie is great on the issues and I do not mind the Socialist tag one bit ... Persondem Jun 2015 #111

If he beats Hillary in the primaries AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #150

No way. See post #87. Not sure what world you are living in.nt Persondem Jun 2015 #158

Time to step up! weknowvino2 Jun 2015 #61

Thank you. We can win. azmom Jun 2015 #79

I don't know how anyone can use the word "unelectable" Ino Jun 2015 #62

+1 nt rbnyc Jun 2015 #70

And in 2008, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #192

If Perot hadn't run and the Clinton had run against NAFTA... cascadiance Jun 2015 #69

This is a fight for democracy itself. This is not the time azmom Jun 2015 #81

See post #87. nt Persondem Jun 2015 #89

And if you are really sincere, do what Bernie does, almost NEVER criticize or even mention randys1 Jun 2015 #101

I'm worried. Maybe I've watched too many movies like "The Ides of March" and TV series like "House AikidoSoul Jun 2015 #106

i'm worried too, but i'm optimistic. DesertFlower Jun 2015 #140

I'm with Bernie! yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #113

If we out-organize the money, he wins eridani Jun 2015 #117

Have you all forgotten WHOM we are running against? MFM008 Jun 2015 #125

All the more reason for us to be LOUD and PROUD TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #156

The Democratic nominee will win HassleCat Jun 2015 #126

And your target audience are rank and file Dems ... who already plan to vote for Hillary ... JoePhilly Jun 2015 #137

Senator Sanders Thespian2 Jun 2015 #141

I'd rate his chances differently creeksneakers2 Jun 2015 #142

K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #143

I get this from what I'll call "Democratic progeny"... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #144

Very Well Said The Roux Comes First Jun 2015 #145

All you Bernie backers, please read Dr. Xavier Jun 2015 #147

Cept, it isn't 1972 anymore AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #152

And the Dem nominee won't be running against an incumbent. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #174

So in oder to win... rbnyc Jun 2015 #155

hell to the yes! mike_c Jun 2015 #153

Need Bernie Sprinkles Throughout SujiwanKenobee Jun 2015 #154

If you elect him, prepare to see him become no more progressive as a President than Obama. Arkana Jun 2015 #162

Woo Hoo! Let's just give up! rbnyc Jun 2015 #164

I didn't say "give up" Arkana Jun 2015 #165

Fair enough, but your reply brings up... rbnyc Jun 2015 #166

they also thought an "inexperienced aa senator" couldn't win either restorefreedom Jun 2015 #163

the "inevitability" meme has given way to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme. nt antigop Jun 2015 #167

Well stated. 99Forever Jul 2015 #171

the irony of all of this olddots Jul 2015 #182