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In reply to the discussion: Warren isn't running and Bernie could never win. So let's talk REALITY. [View all]Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)139. Another Third Way post painting Traditional Democrats as "far left". n/t
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Warren isn't running and Bernie could never win. So let's talk REALITY. [View all]
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
OP
Bernie has a good message, but he isn't a messenger who can win a national election.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#6
Whether he can win or not, his message is extremely important to the national debate.
MoonchildCA
Nov 2014
#132
If I were Jon Stewart at the Daily Show, I might say, "Sherman AI, meet me at camera three."
merrily
Nov 2014
#7
I started hearing it all over TV, like a modern Greek chorus, shortly before the 2012 election.
merrily
Nov 2014
#235
I do remember hearing "inevitable" in 2007, but then it stopped, as far as I heard.
merrily
Nov 2014
#237
Simples...supporting progressive policies does not translate to supporting liberal candidates
brooklynite
Nov 2014
#210
Polls TWO YEARS out are utterly worthless. In 2006 HRC was polling to have a cakewalk coronation
peacebird
Nov 2014
#68
It will vanish, all she has to do is speak off the cuff. She forgets the internet is here....
peacebird
Nov 2014
#76
You think we should settle for a warhawk centrist because they run with "D" after their name?
peacebird
Nov 2014
#85
that is what YOU say...here is my proof to the contrary....you don't get to cherry-pick issues.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#86
This isn't the 9th inning of the 4th quarter. It's not even the preseason yet
Scootaloo
Nov 2014
#182
You are correct. RB is expressing only his/her own opinion -- and it's exactly that, nothing more.
Cal33
Nov 2014
#74
No, Warren isn't running and Bernie can't win, and anyone on the real planet knows it.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#5
Insulting me and repeating yourself is not going to change my mind. I wrote my thoughts
merrily
Nov 2014
#8
The same posters are going to keep pushing the same inevitability meme until the primary is over
peacebird
Nov 2014
#61
When it's my friend, I use it. Maybe you should recommend ignore to the meme machine.
merrily
Nov 2014
#66
Warren isn't running. It is insane to think she is and hang non-existent hopes on it.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#93
The ultra left is as tone deaf to reality as the ultra right. This crowd backed Kucinich.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#94
He or she posted to me, not a crowd. As to me, your bit about Kucinich is a lie, as
merrily
Nov 2014
#110
Link a post of mine saying Warren and/or Sanders is my hero. Try to get yourself some civility, too
merrily
Nov 2014
#100
If HRC is the nominee then we will get a continuation of the militaristic, procorporate regime
peacebird
Nov 2014
#60
Are you wanting a TP Ted Cruz? How much do you think he would push your cause?
Thinkingabout
Nov 2014
#122
Actually I was responding to peacebird, I did not mention the primary process.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2014
#212
Stating that Warren or Sanders cannot win is a defeatist attitude settling for Hillary is just that
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#13
OK You Win! You are now superior and I bow to the greatness of the highly
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#46
My path is not to be an idealist and lose ALL THREE branches in the next election....
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#57
From where I am sitting if it were between Hillary and Bush we will be looking at
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#115
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=386992
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#167
I never said anything about Bernie why do you try to put words in my mouth?
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#169
Bingo. Young voters feel hoodwinked by Obama, right or wrong, and will not mobilize for the same
peacebird
Nov 2014
#62
Warren isn't running, so that point is moot. Sanders can't win nationally, and even he knows it.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#98
Nicely said. Thank you. I'm tired of settling for the establishment candidates
kysrsoze
Nov 2014
#198
Not at all. Progressive IDEAS won in 14, and can win the presidency in 16 if we run a progressive
peacebird
Nov 2014
#65
My my my. She can answer correctly on an online game. I meant her actions/votes not her weasle words
peacebird
Nov 2014
#88
Uh no not just words....those were votes and speeches she has made....you know voting and speaking
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#89
Uh you need to go look at the site....you obviously do not know what you are talking about.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#160
Wrong! Check the polls on the issues. Continually repeating it doesn't make it reality.
Enthusiast
Nov 2014
#170
I will only vote for a candidate that represents my interests. It's not HC. Tough S^%$.
GoneFishin
Nov 2014
#19
No you can vote for OUR choice....or not.....but you risk taking some blame for
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#59
Protest votes are wasted votes. Good luck with wasting your vote on some Nader-like loser.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#101
Its the reality we have today.....YOU are into dreaming....and Idealist! That is what that means...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#52
You need to stop thinking YOU are part of the majority of Americans....this thread is about reality
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#40
No the last election tells us that though people support Liberal or Progressive values...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#103
So you're saying we need to run someone who supports conservative values?
Kermitt Gribble
Nov 2014
#138
But you said people don't vote for liberal or progressive values at the ballot box.
Kermitt Gribble
Nov 2014
#151
Here is why he may not. Let's use the example of Howard Dean. He had built an enthusiasm and
still_one
Nov 2014
#73
You're shoveling sand against the tide trying to talk sense to the dreamers, here.
MADem
Nov 2014
#28
believing in those things....and getting the Republicans out of the way to allow them to happen
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#39
I will support without hesitation the Democratic nominee, and have no problem supporting Hillary,
still_one
Nov 2014
#45
The fact is that if Bernie runs as a Democrat, one would think that whoever has the most persuasive
still_one
Nov 2014
#80
"very well cause the election to be decided by the House"? A highly unlikely scenario, IMO.
merrily
Nov 2014
#114
I agree, I do not think it is a likely scenario. If Bernie runs, he will run as a Democrat, and
still_one
Nov 2014
#123
I don't know about about Bernie. He will run however he thinks he has the best chance.
merrily
Nov 2014
#124
No real disagreement with you thoughts, however, I think apathy was a huge reason. This was the
still_one
Nov 2014
#127
you are right. I don't think every state has absentee ballots, not sure though.
still_one
Nov 2014
#135
I am sure some are sincere Third Wayers and some have economic or other incentives to push.
merrily
Nov 2014
#117
It looks like Hillary will be our nominee and it is going to take a long time for some to get
hrmjustin
Nov 2014
#77
The Democratic Party should endorse the Republican candidate. Then we'd win for sure!!!
Scuba
Nov 2014
#112
Oh goody, a protest vote to help the Republicans. I think that is entirely insane. But whatever.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#217
Another Third Way post painting Traditional Democrats as "far left". n/t
Kermitt Gribble
Nov 2014
#139
You know how delusional the Left has become when they propose Sanders as a Democratic nominee.
Beacool
Nov 2014
#148
Seattle elected a socialist,what does that say about the trend of the country?
aspirant
Nov 2014
#185
And it is highly likely he won't come close to winning the nomination.We need to support the NOMINEE
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#207
Obama shocked the world in 2008. In 2007 it was all Hillary and he was running third behind Edwards.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2014
#186
Why is it so important that everyone agree on a nominee before the primaries even START?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#188
Anyone but Hillary. Someone will run against her, in the primary, and I will support them. (nt)
w4rma
Nov 2014
#215
Right now no one stands a chance against her. We need to support the nominee.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#221
So basically, this country is over and we're doomed to moving ever rightward.
PeteSelman
Nov 2014
#228