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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Warren isn't running and Bernie could never win. So let's talk REALITY. [View all]merrily
(45,251 posts)120. The Dem will win my state, too, unless maybe Ike run agains again.
At that, Presidential elections come down to a few counties in a few purple states.
http://www.businessinsider.com/swing-state-counties-florida-ohio-wisconsin-virginia-2012-9?op=1
Trick is, they are not always the same counties and they rarely tell us ahead of time which counties they will be this time. But, the experts do know.
Think of it. Two billion dollars--in hard money alone--for a few swing votes in eight counties. Seriously, exactly how nuts was that?
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Warren isn't running and Bernie could never win. So let's talk REALITY. [View all]
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
OP
Bernie has a good message, but he isn't a messenger who can win a national election.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#6
Whether he can win or not, his message is extremely important to the national debate.
MoonchildCA
Nov 2014
#132
If I were Jon Stewart at the Daily Show, I might say, "Sherman AI, meet me at camera three."
merrily
Nov 2014
#7
I started hearing it all over TV, like a modern Greek chorus, shortly before the 2012 election.
merrily
Nov 2014
#235
I do remember hearing "inevitable" in 2007, but then it stopped, as far as I heard.
merrily
Nov 2014
#237
Simples...supporting progressive policies does not translate to supporting liberal candidates
brooklynite
Nov 2014
#210
Polls TWO YEARS out are utterly worthless. In 2006 HRC was polling to have a cakewalk coronation
peacebird
Nov 2014
#68
It will vanish, all she has to do is speak off the cuff. She forgets the internet is here....
peacebird
Nov 2014
#76
You think we should settle for a warhawk centrist because they run with "D" after their name?
peacebird
Nov 2014
#85
that is what YOU say...here is my proof to the contrary....you don't get to cherry-pick issues.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#86
This isn't the 9th inning of the 4th quarter. It's not even the preseason yet
Scootaloo
Nov 2014
#182
You are correct. RB is expressing only his/her own opinion -- and it's exactly that, nothing more.
Cal33
Nov 2014
#74
No, Warren isn't running and Bernie can't win, and anyone on the real planet knows it.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#5
Insulting me and repeating yourself is not going to change my mind. I wrote my thoughts
merrily
Nov 2014
#8
The same posters are going to keep pushing the same inevitability meme until the primary is over
peacebird
Nov 2014
#61
When it's my friend, I use it. Maybe you should recommend ignore to the meme machine.
merrily
Nov 2014
#66
Warren isn't running. It is insane to think she is and hang non-existent hopes on it.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#93
The ultra left is as tone deaf to reality as the ultra right. This crowd backed Kucinich.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#94
He or she posted to me, not a crowd. As to me, your bit about Kucinich is a lie, as
merrily
Nov 2014
#110
Link a post of mine saying Warren and/or Sanders is my hero. Try to get yourself some civility, too
merrily
Nov 2014
#100
If HRC is the nominee then we will get a continuation of the militaristic, procorporate regime
peacebird
Nov 2014
#60
Are you wanting a TP Ted Cruz? How much do you think he would push your cause?
Thinkingabout
Nov 2014
#122
Actually I was responding to peacebird, I did not mention the primary process.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2014
#212
Stating that Warren or Sanders cannot win is a defeatist attitude settling for Hillary is just that
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#13
OK You Win! You are now superior and I bow to the greatness of the highly
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#46
My path is not to be an idealist and lose ALL THREE branches in the next election....
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#57
From where I am sitting if it were between Hillary and Bush we will be looking at
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#115
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=386992
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#167
I never said anything about Bernie why do you try to put words in my mouth?
IdiocracyTheNewNorm
Nov 2014
#169
Bingo. Young voters feel hoodwinked by Obama, right or wrong, and will not mobilize for the same
peacebird
Nov 2014
#62
Warren isn't running, so that point is moot. Sanders can't win nationally, and even he knows it.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#98
Nicely said. Thank you. I'm tired of settling for the establishment candidates
kysrsoze
Nov 2014
#198
Not at all. Progressive IDEAS won in 14, and can win the presidency in 16 if we run a progressive
peacebird
Nov 2014
#65
My my my. She can answer correctly on an online game. I meant her actions/votes not her weasle words
peacebird
Nov 2014
#88
Uh no not just words....those were votes and speeches she has made....you know voting and speaking
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#89
Uh you need to go look at the site....you obviously do not know what you are talking about.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#160
Wrong! Check the polls on the issues. Continually repeating it doesn't make it reality.
Enthusiast
Nov 2014
#170
I will only vote for a candidate that represents my interests. It's not HC. Tough S^%$.
GoneFishin
Nov 2014
#19
No you can vote for OUR choice....or not.....but you risk taking some blame for
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#59
Protest votes are wasted votes. Good luck with wasting your vote on some Nader-like loser.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#101
Its the reality we have today.....YOU are into dreaming....and Idealist! That is what that means...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#52
You need to stop thinking YOU are part of the majority of Americans....this thread is about reality
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#40
No the last election tells us that though people support Liberal or Progressive values...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#103
So you're saying we need to run someone who supports conservative values?
Kermitt Gribble
Nov 2014
#138
But you said people don't vote for liberal or progressive values at the ballot box.
Kermitt Gribble
Nov 2014
#151
Here is why he may not. Let's use the example of Howard Dean. He had built an enthusiasm and
still_one
Nov 2014
#73
You're shoveling sand against the tide trying to talk sense to the dreamers, here.
MADem
Nov 2014
#28
believing in those things....and getting the Republicans out of the way to allow them to happen
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#39
I will support without hesitation the Democratic nominee, and have no problem supporting Hillary,
still_one
Nov 2014
#45
The fact is that if Bernie runs as a Democrat, one would think that whoever has the most persuasive
still_one
Nov 2014
#80
"very well cause the election to be decided by the House"? A highly unlikely scenario, IMO.
merrily
Nov 2014
#114
I agree, I do not think it is a likely scenario. If Bernie runs, he will run as a Democrat, and
still_one
Nov 2014
#123
I don't know about about Bernie. He will run however he thinks he has the best chance.
merrily
Nov 2014
#124
No real disagreement with you thoughts, however, I think apathy was a huge reason. This was the
still_one
Nov 2014
#127
you are right. I don't think every state has absentee ballots, not sure though.
still_one
Nov 2014
#135
I am sure some are sincere Third Wayers and some have economic or other incentives to push.
merrily
Nov 2014
#117
It looks like Hillary will be our nominee and it is going to take a long time for some to get
hrmjustin
Nov 2014
#77
The Democratic Party should endorse the Republican candidate. Then we'd win for sure!!!
Scuba
Nov 2014
#112
Oh goody, a protest vote to help the Republicans. I think that is entirely insane. But whatever.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#217
Another Third Way post painting Traditional Democrats as "far left". n/t
Kermitt Gribble
Nov 2014
#139
You know how delusional the Left has become when they propose Sanders as a Democratic nominee.
Beacool
Nov 2014
#148
Seattle elected a socialist,what does that say about the trend of the country?
aspirant
Nov 2014
#185
And it is highly likely he won't come close to winning the nomination.We need to support the NOMINEE
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#207
Obama shocked the world in 2008. In 2007 it was all Hillary and he was running third behind Edwards.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2014
#186
Why is it so important that everyone agree on a nominee before the primaries even START?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#188
Anyone but Hillary. Someone will run against her, in the primary, and I will support them. (nt)
w4rma
Nov 2014
#215
Right now no one stands a chance against her. We need to support the nominee.
RBInMaine
Nov 2014
#221
So basically, this country is over and we're doomed to moving ever rightward.
PeteSelman
Nov 2014
#228