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Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
28. Incorrect
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 06:21 PM
Sep 2016

Last edited Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:46 PM - Edit history (1)

A model should not change when it gets new information. Assuming an initially well fit model It should change when it gets enough relevant information to throw its hypotheses into enough doubt that a new set of hypotheses are warranted.

The art of building a statistical model (and I have built many over the course of my career) is to determine what the threshold is for a change in hypotheses.

If a model designed to predict an event many months out from its inception is to be judged good, it must be judged not only on its accuracy, but its consistency. A better model is one that correctly predicts the outcome and does so over the longest possible span. If I predict the election outcome absolutely correctly a day before the vote, that may be good. Predicting it within a small delta many months before is better.

I could create a model that samples from a white noise distribution for electoral vote outcomes, and there is a decent probability that one of the samples would be very close to the actual outcome. However the time average of predictions would be very far from the actual outcome. Because my model got it right once on the interval, is that a good model?

Look at the time average of a model's predictions. If a model is close immediately before the election and yields a reasonably close time average over outcomes, that is a good model.

I submit there are other election models out there that meet this criteria better than Silver's. He could improve his models greatly, and their stability, with more parsimony and fewer nuisance parameters. It makes things jump around too much.

Also, I am quite aware of what I said in my previous posts. I would hazard I actually know more about what I said that then you do.

Cheers,

Democrats Should Panic? ffr Sep 2016 #1
No Democrats should not panic. If Trump were to win even you should panic. But he won't and we upaloopa Sep 2016 #2
My heart says our country will prove its better than Trump. bullimiami Sep 2016 #3
I will be honest Cosmocat Sep 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author radius777 Sep 2016 #44
Well, the world wouldn't be okay. The way I moonscape Sep 2016 #45
Here is the thing about Bush II Cosmocat Sep 2016 #48
Thank you. The people in this country have gone crazy; it's been a combination of Nay Sep 2016 #51
Next Tuesday underpants Sep 2016 #4
The best model is how voters effect the electoral count. We know pretty much Ttrump can't win that upaloopa Sep 2016 #5
You are right underpants Sep 2016 #11
It will be Hillary in an EC landslide. CanadaexPat Sep 2016 #6
Nate's model oscillates too much Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #7
538 is actually very good at its intended purpose Orrex Sep 2016 #9
^^^This!^^^ Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #18
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #14
So, wait. You are suggesting an epistemology where one Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 #20
That's why I didn't suggest it Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #21
Sure you did. Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 #23
Incorrect Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #28
He actually shows 3 models: backscatter712 Sep 2016 #27
That last one troubles me Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #30
Are you throwing a party? alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #8
You never know ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2016 #16
No way, we need to redouble the GOTV efforts!! Kilgore Sep 2016 #17
Mmmm-hmm alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #25
Perfect example of shooting your own on DU. Kilgore Sep 2016 #33
Who you're fooling... alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #43
I'll take Clinton 60 vs trump 40 anyday - asiliveandbreathe Sep 2016 #10
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #15
Silver ought to panic moman Sep 2016 #12
What a downer, thanks. book_worm Sep 2016 #13
The LA Times poll today already has Trump losing ground. RAFisher Sep 2016 #19
That is encouraging. n/t Chemisse Sep 2016 #36
Trump ALWAYS says something spectacularly stupid DFW Sep 2016 #22
Ethereal Cereal Kilgore Sep 2016 #24
Never heard of Ethereal Cereal or Putney Swope? Allow me to introduce you.... DFW Sep 2016 #40
yep... of course he does, and of course the media downplays it Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #47
He does something spectacularly stupid every week tymorial Sep 2016 #26
I hope Hillary will begin talking about issues. Duval Sep 2016 #29
Disagree moman Sep 2016 #35
The problem is that the media won't cover her 'issues' comments. Chemisse Sep 2016 #37
The problem is: Trumps so incredibly dangerous to our national health Ligyron Sep 2016 #31
It is trully amazing Chemisse Sep 2016 #38
It means there is something seriously, seriously wrong with this country. nt Nay Sep 2016 #52
I agree. Chemisse Sep 2016 #54
I swear I remember reading something strikingly similar in 2012 after the first debate. Drunken Irishman Sep 2016 #32
Panic away but she's still going to win, and probably win big. ucrdem Sep 2016 #34
That map still gives Hillary a 279-259 win. I will gladly take that. DCBob Sep 2016 #41
wanna stay sane? fierywoman Sep 2016 #42
Thanks For The Link nt JimGinPA Sep 2016 #46
I hope the Sun keeps rising in the East and setting in the West. randome Sep 2016 #49
Under normal circumstances, Nate is right NHDEMFORLIFE Sep 2016 #50
National stress level must be close to red-lining Loge23 Sep 2016 #53
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