2016 Postmortem

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(26,624 posts) Sun Jul 10, 2016, 06:52 AM Jul 2016

'We Have Just Written Half of the GOP Platform': Progressives Dismayed by Dem Party Platform [View all]

"The trend continued on the second-to-last day of platform negotiations in Orlando, Florida, when Clinton surrogates on Friday rejected an amendment supporting the creation of a postal banking system, modeled on the one in North Dakota, as well as measures that would end corporate welfare and lay penalties on companies for offshoring jobs, lift the $250,000 income cap on the social security tax, and expand cost of living increases for senior citizens' social security benefits."

http://commondreams.org/news/2016/07/09/we-have-just-written-half-gop-platform-progressives-dismayed-dem-party-platform

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Getting stuck on a platform that carries no binding weight with elected officials is not Jitter65 Jul 2016 #1

I don't think this article begins to say that the Democratic Party give everyone what they want. midnight Jul 2016 #2

I keep asking, and people keep not answering... Scootaloo Jul 2016 #3

The platform is always vanilla Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #4

Doesn't answer my question Scootaloo Jul 2016 #5

Sure I did. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #9

I remember the Lilly Ledbetter act came about because of the huge controversy over midnight Jul 2016 #7

It was passed by the House and Senate in 2009 because Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #10

Lilly Ledbetter had the courage and privilege of speaking at our Democratic convention to let midnight Jul 2016 #12

And it still happens Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #100

The struggle goes on. midnight Jul 2016 #120

I completely agree Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #123

I sure as shit remember fighting with Straight Democrats to get pro LGBT language Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #16

I suspect you'll just hear crickets. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #46

Then simply don't have a platform. When somebody asks just say... ret5hd Jul 2016 #19

The platform is supposed to be what the Party stands for. That is it nonbinding is all the more merrily Jul 2016 #54

Honestly, people would be better served by working on changing Congress than by putting so much kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #83

NOT including some items is the same as what the GOP favors? I don't understand that. randome Jul 2016 #6

This is what I don't understand. midnight Jul 2016 #8

All things that most of us would be in favor of, too. randome Jul 2016 #13

I see good stuff in the platform, some of Sanders' stuff apcalc Jul 2016 #11

I think that is the whole point is the GOP platform is a big time suck…. midnight Jul 2016 #15

Platform is looking solid and to be very progressive from what I have read. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #14

I firmly believe it's a mistake to waltz around the TPP issue in the platform. Snarkoleptic Jul 2016 #18

Thing is, "being on the side of working people" LONG-TERM may well call for trade agreements. Hoyt Jul 2016 #32

TPP might be an easier sell if all could be expected to play by the rules. Snarkoleptic Jul 2016 #39

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #47

Don't try to con people to thinking the TPP is good for anyone but billionaires, long or short term. w4rma Jul 2016 #101

More CommonFantasies nonsense. JoePhilly Jul 2016 #17

Seems to me like shoring-up Social Security would be a plus. Snarkoleptic Jul 2016 #20

After watching them bash Obama for eight years. JoePhilly Jul 2016 #27

They're really "out there". NurseJackie Jul 2016 #21

Oh BULLSHIT! This is the progressive platform in many years. Enough of the purist horseshit. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #22

Unfortunately the last 35 years has caused many more Americans to go without so that so few midnight Jul 2016 #119

Purist idiots never learn. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #23

Any criticism of the extreme rightward drift is "purist". Got it. arendt Jul 2016 #61

no, not any criticism. I referred to fact-free, obviously false whining like geek tragedy Jul 2016 #63

Then, you need to qualify your blanket insult arendt Jul 2016 #64

Did you read the headline of this post? geek tragedy Jul 2016 #66

Because "expand" is the kind of empty verbiage that has been used forever... arendt Jul 2016 #69

Platforms aren't legislation, they generally talk about values and goals geek tragedy Jul 2016 #70

So, if they have no teeth, why object to something that is a core Democratic Party value - SocSec? arendt Jul 2016 #72

eliminating the cap isn't a core Democratic party value. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #75

So the issue is that you have no concept of what a platform IS? -nt- Lord Magus Jul 2016 #77

One of the goals of the platform committee is to give the GOP no ammunition Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #105

Clinton has details of the expansion she envisions on her website- one great thing is bettyellen Jul 2016 #74

Claiming that an "extreme rightward drift" exists among Dems certainly can be described as such. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #76

For f***s sake, it's the most liberal platform in a generation. This purity garbage is ridiculous. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #24

In that case it doesn't say much for the platforms of the last generation. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #31

How progressive do you think it would be were Bernie not involved NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #40

The poster you responded to LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #50

What the fuck is with your "team Hillary" snark. Are you not a part of team Hillary? Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #113

About what we could expect HassleCat Jul 2016 #25

Except that it's not true. What in that platform will likely appear in the GOP platform? Zynx Jul 2016 #28

Nothing wrong with the platform. HassleCat Jul 2016 #124

Really? The Third Way is about $15 minimum wage, the public option, etc? They're awesome! CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #37

You won't find very much of anything in that platform in the GOP platform this time. Zynx Jul 2016 #26

If you give a mouse of cookie... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #29

I didn't realize comparing Sanders supporters to mice is allowed under DU general election rules. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #34

It's a common proverbial phrase. If you want to feel personally victimized by it, be my guest. SaschaHM Jul 2016 #35

Bernie supporters are pretty much fair game now. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #36

No, Bernie Sanders likes this platform. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #42

Try here. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #43

"We got 80% of what we wanted." geek tragedy Jul 2016 #59

* Trajan Jul 2016 #108

$15 per hour minimum wage may be meaningless if TPP with ISDS passes Arizona Roadrunner Jul 2016 #30

No one is 'surrendering' anything. randome Jul 2016 #45

The ISDS has been in worldwide trade agreements since 1959, none of that has happened. If it had, Hoyt Jul 2016 #49

France says they won't sign TTIP. We just had Brexit. But "Europe..signing as fast as they can". LOL arendt Jul 2016 #73

Who said that? Plus, I don't think it's finished, probably several years away. Hoyt Jul 2016 #82

TTIP will never pass here in the EU AntiBank Jul 2016 #95

Yes the TPP will render all of the labor laws unenforceable. Doctor_J Jul 2016 #51

Yes. The TPP vote is the real stinker. The rest is chump change, as AR notes. n/t arendt Jul 2016 #62

+1 TheFarseer Jul 2016 #97

Which party at one time had this in its platform? hobbit709 Jul 2016 #33

The Republican Party in 1956, when Richard Nixon was the VP. (NT) Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #41

Beautifully said. midnight Jul 2016 #122

The author conflates postal banking with state banks. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #38

"If the Democratic Party would fight as hard for the Working Class ... Scuba Jul 2016 #44

Awww rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #48

And appantly our "diverse coalition" Proud Public Servant Jul 2016 #53

Exactly! ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2016 #56

"We got 80% of what we wanted in this platform."--Sanders campaign geek tragedy Jul 2016 #65

Bernie is one person. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2016 #79

And all you need to do is convince majorities of voters in 218+ Congressional geek tragedy Jul 2016 #81

I vote. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2016 #84

you make an awful lot of assumptions about the motives of people who disagree with you geek tragedy Jul 2016 #85

You seem to take offense to statements that haven't been directed toward you directly. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2016 #87

Lulz. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #94

Thank you for doing this- it's heartbreaking what passes as affordable healthcare... midnight Jul 2016 #121

What would the Democratic platform have been if Bernie had not run? nt merrily Jul 2016 #52

It would be unimportant just as it is now. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #106

"Taking Congress" by 60 LIBERAL Senators is not going to happen, ever. merrily Jul 2016 #110

We did not have sixty liberal Senators ...not with Lieberman and Kennedy desperately ill Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #114

Yes, I know. See the subject line of my prior post. merrily Jul 2016 #116

Fair enough. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #117

The party leadership is primarily Reagan republicans. Doctor_J Jul 2016 #55

WAAAAAAAH!!!!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #57

No they didn't. nt ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #58

"We got 80% of what we wanted in this platform"--Sanders campaign geek tragedy Jul 2016 #60

Which means they didn't get 100%, so they can continue to bellyache. Bernie is not only going to be Hekate Jul 2016 #93

So, a Republican platform?Clintonites explain pls. George Eliot Jul 2016 #67

Explanation: "We got 80% of what we wanted in this platform"--Sanders campaign geek tragedy Jul 2016 #68

Ok. Not republican. But we're Democrats. George Eliot Jul 2016 #86

"Progressive", "New Wave", "Alternative" It's all just Pop. LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #78

Talking platform. Not Bernie. George Eliot Jul 2016 #88

My point is that you differentiate between Liberal and Progressive, while aligning "progressive" LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #91

Still dividing dems.I think those are issued we George Eliot Jul 2016 #98

I don't use the word "liberal", because internationally it means "neoliberal". (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #104

The platform as currently written would be burned at a Republican convention. Zynx Jul 2016 #80

Good. So why not go for it? George Eliot Jul 2016 #89

That's good. Go for more. Supposed to be that way. George Eliot Jul 2016 #99

now, now, the progressive stuff that DID pass is destined to be ignored come 11-9-16 MisterP Jul 2016 #71

That's funny and probably true. I hope not. George Eliot Jul 2016 #90

this ^^^^^^^^^^ AntiBank Jul 2016 #96

Who are these "progressives?" iandhr Jul 2016 #92

Common Dreams is the Brietbart of the left. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #102

Strategically, why fight on this? bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #103

works for me. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #107

haven't had COLA heaven05 Jul 2016 #109

Well, we progressives are dismayed by most modern American politics... Orsino Jul 2016 #111

You can't please the Purists, no matter what. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #112

Oh, good god! baldguy Jul 2016 #115

Did I accidently wind up on JPR? joshcryer Jul 2016 #118