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Gothmog

(145,794 posts)
8. There are a number of very good reasons why Sanders didnot win the vote of key groups
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jul 2016

I personally doubted that Sanders was electable because of his numerous weaknesses that would be exploited in a general election. I found the claims that Sanders was electable due to silly match up general election polls to be laughable because Sanders was never vetted or challenged in the primary process. The Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves and even then I was amused to see the Sanders supporters whine about attacks.

There are good reasons why the demographics did not work for Sanders and why many voters including some African American voters did not support Sanders. There was a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I supported in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting African American voters. Again, it was difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign was that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.

The analysis in the OP as to why Sanders lost is really wrong and ignores a host of very valid reasons that good Democrats had to not support Sanders.
And that economic discomfort will continue demwing Jul 2016 #1
Your comparisons for Sanders are very confusing. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #3
more people liked her message SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #26
The majority vote in state after state is a fact. Hortensis Jul 2016 #33
Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #49
Hillary thoughtfully addresses the problems of climate change pnwmom Jul 2016 #55
great SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #60
She doesn't, actually. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #77
Fracking? rickford66 Jul 2016 #100
Please don't refight the primary. Bernie isn't the presumptive nominee. nt pnwmom Jul 2016 #103
Do you even understand fracking? I make a good living from alternative and renewable fuels tonyt53 Jul 2016 #104
lol La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #64
I would think that if 16,838,264 voted for Clinton and 13,100,987 voted for Sanders, the premise.... George II Jul 2016 #70
The only fact you get from that is that Clinton got 3,737,277 more votes Scootaloo Jul 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #87
.+1 840high Jul 2016 #47
The narrative is wrong. The word "young" was left out before white male. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #2
Thanks for saving the rest of us the time in making the same point. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #17
This explains what is going on with the "revolution." BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #20
Awesomely interesting! Entryism definition Her Sister Jul 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #46
That's about how 840high Jul 2016 #48
You do realize she won delegates based on how people voted right? mythology Jul 2016 #92
That's the claim anyway. timmymoff Jul 2016 #96
Your assumption that we're not part of the party is vile Scootaloo Jul 2016 #79
You just saved me a BUNCH of time with this reply. Thanks bravenak Jul 2016 #44
No we can't!! Isn't that inspiring? eridani Jul 2016 #74
^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #95
Hillary won because more Democrats voted for her still_one Jul 2016 #102
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #4
LOL! Politicalboi Jul 2016 #7
What a shameful piece of text. SpareribSP Jul 2016 #11
The Mothers, The Grandmothers DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #13
Can you explain how "bro" could possibly be considered racist? Is there some sort of hardship bettyellen Jul 2016 #24
To some, it is a pseudo-ghetto title...not quite a pejorative, libdem4life Jul 2016 #28
No it's actually referring to generally I whiter generic collegiate dudes..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #30
It was a mistake. DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #35
"friendly" ?! DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #29
Yeah dudes and bros have generally positive connotations.....the only negative would bettyellen Jul 2016 #31
I Miss-typed DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #37
Well people use dude and bro for both sexes- it's just like "pal" but sort of young maybe post bettyellen Jul 2016 #38
Well, that's not how the term "berniebro" has been used. Ever. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #81
It's not that a singular bro is a bad thing - it's the swarm of bros we all saw on Reddit and even bettyellen Jul 2016 #93
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #111
It doesn't matter. No matter how polls hyped Hillary from the get-go, people need to be more BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #5
The only group that went for Bernie was the one he pandered to. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #6
Those are policies he has fought for his entire political career. bvar22 Jul 2016 #12
Where are the bills he introduced in Congress for free health care and free tuition the politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #15
Bingo Justice Jul 2016 #21
+1, they didn't put much resources in the southern states uponit7771 Jul 2016 #32
And that gorup is our future eridani Jul 2016 #75
Question... Scootaloo Jul 2016 #82
For example: CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #90
That he was inexperienced and basically unknowledge about social bettyellen Jul 2016 #98
There are a number of very good reasons why Sanders didnot win the vote of key groups Gothmog Jul 2016 #8
I would go so far as to guess that the Clinton campaign's vetting of Sanders as an opponent is why BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #22
I agree with everything you said about President Obama, and would just add the following: politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #23
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34
Most voted for Hillary because she is the most qualified, has the most experience upaloopa Jul 2016 #9
The "sore winner" phenomenon, as you call it, is about one thing and one thing only. DanTex Jul 2016 #10
Your third paragraph is exactly right realmirage Jul 2016 #41
Hillary won because she is the better candidate. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #14
. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #16
^^This^^ Loki Jul 2016 #68
Bernie Sanders lost because of his mistaken belief KMOD Jul 2016 #18
nope SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #27
+1, angry is easy answers are hard and being sideways at one of the most popular dem presidents... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #36
Bingo! bravenak Jul 2016 #45
He had no relationships with the demographics he needed to win. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #25
And Bernie's numbers were rising and stopped when he began attacking Hillary CreekDog Jul 2016 #108
Don't forget that Hillary has been under almost constant attack since the 1990's. pnwmom Jul 2016 #39
Describing Hillary merely as the "default candidate" is highly offensive realmirage Jul 2016 #40
+10000000000 Haveadream Jul 2016 #50
THANK YOU!!!!! robbedvoter Jul 2016 #54
K&R! Great Response! n/t DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #65
Totally agree. nt eastwestdem Jul 2016 #43
I think it's disingenuous of us to be dismissive of the discontent. randome Jul 2016 #51
OWS wanted to recruit Warren. Sanders was Plan B robbedvoter Jul 2016 #53
If the disconnect grows more strongly down the road, I think both 'sides' will be to blame. randome Jul 2016 #57
Charisma is a subjective thing, To you, media she is not, To her voters robbedvoter Jul 2016 #69
Money quote. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #72
It didn't help that most of you laughed when we got our asses beat Scootaloo Jul 2016 #83
No one laughed at you and no one is laughing at you now. randome Jul 2016 #84
Ah yes, I'm lying about my experiences Scootaloo Jul 2016 #85
No one ever said you were lying, either. randome Jul 2016 #86
So, the majority D voters are numbskulls who voted for generic candidate robbedvoter Jul 2016 #52
I'm sure the women of Iraq and Libya are endlessly thrilled n/t eridani Jul 2016 #76
The things... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #56
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #58
Well, sure a virgo would say that. We libras, on the other hand, know better. randome Jul 2016 #59
LOL. yeah. that was it. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #63
. RandySF Jul 2016 #61
Change is scary TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #62
Nope DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #67
Nope. We actually like and respect her. grossproffit Jul 2016 #71
So many posters here who voted for Sanders think that Hillary won because of something wrong with us CreekDog Jul 2016 #109
If that's what you need to tell yourself MaggieD Jul 2016 #66
Perhaps you should think about how easily you dismiss the votes of BainsBane Jul 2016 #73
I guess even democracy has to be Bernsplained to us. RandySF Jul 2016 #80
Sanders lost because of the African-American vote oberliner Jul 2016 #88
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #101
That's true oberliner Jul 2016 #105
How'd that argument work out? BainsBane Jul 2016 #110
If the GOP becomes the party of economic populism TheFarseer Jul 2016 #89
I disagree ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #91
Ugh. A long, long post that simply regurgitates what BS supporters have said or implied all along: Squinch Jul 2016 #94
Agreed La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #97
perfectly said, G_j Jul 2016 #99
why are you relitigating the primary? comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #106
Arguments such as this ignore several things Buzz cook Jul 2016 #107
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