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cloudythescribbler

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10. that 20 years has been too slow -- we need a RAPID WWII type transformation
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jun 2016

clearly if we wait for 'markets' (heavily tilted towards subsidized fossil fuels) it would take decades further. The climate crisis requires that the WHOLE PLANET get to NET NEGATIVE GREENHOUSE GAS (GHG) EMISSIONS and fast. How fast? As fast as is technically feasible, given a command change from the top -- even if it is costly. Remember that the COSTLY WWII actually spurred the economy forward, in contrast w/an host of RW & neoliberal doomsayers on a renewable transformation.

We do not have decades before climate change goes from being merely past the tipping point (350 ppm CO2 GHG equivalent) and get to a point of no return. The latter would be costly and disastrous not stimulative. The US should do most of the transformation in a few years, prod the EU & Japan to follow suit, all while financing a similarly rapid transition in the 3d World. Once these policies are well underway, these regions could unite to put huge trade pressure on China, so that they will be economically required to follow suit as rapidly as they humanly can

Against. Also against coal mining (but not expecting it to end immediately) Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #1
Most is for Export--Scheduled to be shipped off-shore via 10 LNG terminals on both coasts. TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #15
Source ? This is fascinating if true. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #29
Links... One of the reasons why the Panama Canal was widened, not just for superships, for US Export TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #30
Dang! Another Panama Canal article. This one ties US exports to the increased production from shale. TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #31
Other. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #2
with the kind of govt direction of a WWII type energy transformation advocated by Bernie ... cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #3
What do you think "rapid" means? Adrahil Jun 2016 #7
that 20 years has been too slow -- we need a RAPID WWII type transformation cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #10
"A few years". That's not technically possible. Adrahil Jun 2016 #12
how much can be accomplished in 'a few years' is indeed a technical question ... cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #21
Yep, pretty much where I am. stevenleser Jun 2016 #33
Against - Exemptions for hydraulic fracturing under United States federal law PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #4
these exemptions (like those of Price/Anderson for nuclear) are obscene cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #11
Those that support it are afraid to admit it. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #5
189 views and 28 votes. Yep, I believe you are correct. jillan Jun 2016 #8
I voted "For it" MohRokTah Jun 2016 #6
Simplistic poll for a simple answer. Just getting a feel. jillan Jun 2016 #9
The problem is that fracking cannot be regulated to the degree that PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #13
But of course. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #19
Earthquakes pottedplant Jun 2016 #27
What should a President do if the GOP agreed to fund alternative energy if fracking could continue? randome Jun 2016 #14
ummmm....how would we procreate? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #16
Ideally I am against it. Realistically, I recognize it's unavoidable. KittyWampus Jun 2016 #17
+1. Unfortunately, such reasoned answers aren't acceptable nowadays. Question to me --Is natural gas Hoyt Jun 2016 #32
It's insane Red Mountain Jun 2016 #18
Kind of indifferent TheFarseer Jun 2016 #20
This isn't a yes or no question. BlueCheese Jun 2016 #22
Against. But understand why it's being used. joshcryer Jun 2016 #23
I am other, against it until Congress gets off their ass and passes the REGULATIONS for fracking. Sunlei Jun 2016 #24
Fracking sounds like a good way to contaminate ground water with--- John Poet Jun 2016 #25
It is the only thing keeping this area out of a full blown depression since we doc03 Jun 2016 #26
It's a bad question - and not realistic... Sancho Jun 2016 #28
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