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2016 Postmortem

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thucythucy

(8,067 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:17 PM Jun 2016

On opening college education for all who can benefit [View all]

I don't understand why Secretary Clinton's campaign is being so obtuse about Senator Sander's proposal to offer (as I understand it) free college tuition to all those who can pass the various entrance requirements.

First of all--it's an entirely realistic goal. Several western European nations (I'm most familiar with Germany) enable their citizens, and even foreign visitors, tuition free college education, as long as students pass the exams and do the work required. This isn't some impossible, unattainable dream. It's something other nations have done, and like the idea of universal health insurance, it's something that our nation would do well to try to emulate.

Secondly--the argument that "I don't want the taxpayers to foot the bill for Donald Trump's kids" is beside the point. That's like saying you want to means test Social Security, since, after all, Donald Trump probably qualifies for benefits. The whole idea of an entitlement (and I hate that phraseology, but it's what we're stuck with for the present) is that EVERYONE has a chance to reap the benefits. This enormously simplifies the system. To qualify for Social Security pension benefits once one reaches the appropriate age, all one needs is a Social Security card and evidence that you've paid into the system for the required number of quarters. To add some sort of income eligibility limit vastly increases the paperwork--and thus the frustration--of people trying to apply. Frustration with any government program almost inevitably leads to lower public support for said program. Not to mention--the more people qualify, the wider the base of political support.

Thirdly--a university system open to the middle and working classes has historically been an incubator for liberal and progressive change. Let's take a quick look at the history. The GI Bill of Rights, passed in 1944 under FDR, vastly increased not only those able to go to college (basically anyone who had been in the service, more than twelve million people) but it also vastly increased funds available to public colleges and universities. It's basically what created the public college system as we've known it since the 1950s. It was out of that system that tens if not hundreds of thousands of middle and working class students became politically educated--resulting in groups like SNCC, the SDS, and myriad others at the forefront of the civil rights, antiwar movements. Labor history, feminism, and LGBT rights groups also benefited.

All this was not lost on the right. Ronald Reagan ran for governor of California largely on a platform of hostility to the University of California. Among his first actions as governor was to begin to do all her could to dismantle that system. His election to president coincided with the pullback from the commitment to an affordable college education to all who could benefit. More than that--by allowing tuition costs and fees to skyrocket--thereby either putting college out of reach, or requiring students to assume crushing debt--meant both a less educated electorate (which has generally hurt Democrats and progressives) and young people less able to engage in social activism. This means political activism has become, more and more, the province of the well to do, or at any rate more difficult for people to try. It's tough to do volunteer work for the environment, reproductive rights, anti-domestic violence work, or whatever your focus might be--if you have to slave away to pay off some humungous debt, as soon as you leave college.

For all these reasons, Senator Sanders' proposal makes sense, not only to younger people in or entering college, but to liberals, progressives, and the Democratic Party as an institution. Like labor unions, college students used to be among our most stalwart activists and supporters. That both of these have been under unremitting attack from the right is no coincidence, nor is it any accident.

There's nothing wrong with having a goal beyond our reach at the moment. Like a moon landing, a polio vaccine, or health insurance for all, there are certain aspirational goals that have a huge range of side benefits, even before the prize is eventually attained.

I try not to be cynical, and I don't buy the notion that everything the Clintons do is to benefit the one percent. But the tone-deafness of how the Clinton campaign has treated this issue really has me stumped. I'm hoping, therefore, that someone in the campaign might read this, and that it might make some sort of political, social, and ethical sense.

BTW, and for what it's worth, I voted for Bernie in my primary, but will absolutely support Hillary in the general if she turns out to be the nominee. All the more reason for me to want to see the campaign change its tone and direction on this issue.

Thank you all for your patience. I have to get going for a while, but will be back to engage with folks who might have various response to this OP.

Best wishes to all.

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here are a few problems with it geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
Thank you for such a thoughtful reply. thucythucy Jun 2016 #5
Nice discussion, you two. Good point on both sides, nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #17
It's my understanding that a much smaller percentage makes it to college in Europe? bettyellen Jun 2016 #20
My thought on fixing primary education thucythucy Jun 2016 #30
Thanks Thucy! I agree there has to be a better way to fund schools. I know it went to the courts in bettyellen Jun 2016 #42
Here are some other issues that you haven't mentioned. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #48
Interesting and informative post. thucythucy Jun 2016 #49
Thanks for your civil response. It's really in short supply here at DU these days. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #46
People in this country for the most part have not clue SheilaT Jun 2016 #2
It is not a realistic goal Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #3
I'm not familiar with the program in Georgia-- thucythucy Jun 2016 #7
The Hope Scholarship is still working well in GA. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #14
"lottery revenue" ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #18
The GA lottery also augments prek-12 education. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #19
It does not work well Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #21
I've lived in GA since 1999 and while HOPE is not perfect it helps aikoaiko Jun 2016 #23
"State has reduced funding ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #24
The biggest cuts to state funding were during recent recession aikoaiko Jun 2016 #25
There is no Hope any more Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #29
Instate Tuition and fees at OH and UGA are the same. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35
It is a bad thing when it drives tuition up Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37
My niece was forced to drop out of college Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #27
Sorry about your niece aikoaiko Jun 2016 #34
The standard are so high now for the Zell scholarship which is what is used mostly for UGA Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #36
ok hill2016 Jun 2016 #4
Your questions would need to be answered for any proposal to work. thucythucy Jun 2016 #9
I believe federalization of state schools would be near impossible. eom yawnmaster Jun 2016 #6
You're probably right. thucythucy Jun 2016 #12
Why would they have to be federalized? They are already jwirr Jun 2016 #16
Feasible and much better ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #8
I like this proposal as well thucythucy Jun 2016 #10
It would stop her friends the banksters from bloodsucking students. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #11
Not the most helpful of replies. Nt. thucythucy Jun 2016 #13
You're right, I edited Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #15
Thanks. I'll get to it later today. Nt. thucythucy Jun 2016 #31
I would also like to point out that since Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #22
Still don't understand how? MichMan Jun 2016 #26
Can you post a link explaining the rise in tuition since, say, the 1980s? thucythucy Jun 2016 #32
Loans enable the increases MichMan Jun 2016 #38
The really big factor in public college tuition increases QC Jun 2016 #43
Excellent point thucythucy Jun 2016 #50
Very good couple of points I had not considered. Thank you. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #44
It's not only an expense, it is an investment in the future Hav Jun 2016 #28
Thanks for your perspective. thucythucy Jun 2016 #33
Used to be for the free college stuff until I looked deeper forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #39
MASSIVE transfer of wealth from the poor to the middle and upper class seabeyond Jun 2016 #45
ThucyThucy, a very informative thread. Thank you. The replies that supply information is the DU seabeyond Jun 2016 #40
Hi Seabeyond! thucythucy Jun 2016 #52
Why not just increase Pell grants? Orangepeel Jun 2016 #41
Increasing Pell grants should definitely be a part of the mix thucythucy Jun 2016 #55
Then who will join the military... actslikeacarrot Jun 2016 #47
Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate we've ever run as Democrats. Aerows Jun 2016 #51
Sanders offers nothing on actually controlling the runaway cost beachbumbob Jun 2016 #53
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