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2016 Postmortem

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AZ Progressive

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Tue May 31, 2016, 06:19 PM May 2016

Lets be honest about Jerry Brown... [View all]

Jerry Brown is no real progressive, he's been a big supporter of fracking in California...

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0505-mckibben-california-fracking-20150502-story.html

But Brown continues to support fracking in the state's oil patch, and oil production increases. And that's a problem. It doesn't matter if everyone in California someday drives a Tesla. That oil will get shipped somewhere, and when it's burned, it will push global warming yet higher. It's as if the governor banned smoking in California but turned the Central Valley over to growing tobacco. And given the physics of climate change, secondhand carbon smoke is as damaging as burning it yourself.

That means Brown's legacy is double-edged: visionary on one side but status quo on the other.

And even worse, fracking in a time of drought is a remarkable obscenity. The process uses a tremendous amount of water. Trucks line up on rural roads in Kern County, not to deliver water to those communities where wells have run dry but to deliver it to drillers who inject it underground. What they bring back up is polluted wastewater.


And it's even worse, Jerry Brown has done nothing to protect plants and water used in California from being contaminated with fracking wastewater (and in fact, regulators basically allowed polluters to pollute California water.)


California Regulators Allowed Oil Industry To Drill Hundreds Of Wastewater Injection Wells Into Aquifers With Drinkable Water

http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/02/03/california-regulators-allowed-hundreds-oil-industry-wastewater-injection-wells-drilled-aquifers-drinkable-water

Update 02/11/15: The problems with California's underground injection control program are far worse than originally reported. It has now been revealed that California regulators with DOGGR not only permitted hundreds of wastewater injection wells but also thousands more wells injecting fluids for “enhanced oil recovery” into aquifers protected under the federal Safe Drinking Water Act.

Original post: The fallout from the ongoing review of California’s deeply flawed Underground Injection Control program continues as new documents reveal that state regulators are investigating more than 500 injection wells for potentially dumping oil industry wastewater into aquifers protected under the federal Safe Drinking Water Act as well as state law.
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Lets be honest about Jerry Brown... [View all] AZ Progressive May 2016 OP
Being a progressive or a democrat or liberal isn't based on any beachbumbob May 2016 #1
Nobody's perfect, but people always have a reason for their actions Ash_F May 2016 #5
Ditto! tonyt53 May 2016 #7
I like Jerry Brown Ned_Devine May 2016 #57
I would think the fracking-induced earthquakes in Oklahoma should make any Dem refuse to support it. LonePirate May 2016 #58
+10. n/t whathehell Jun 2016 #102
The US government was the first to "frack" OK. They pumped fluid down wells to dispose of it. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #103
Why don't they do like NY does and outlaw it? redstateblues Jun 2016 #104
Oil companies are very influential with OK Repubs. That's why OK is passing abortion felony laws. LonePirate Jun 2016 #106
He has done very little to restore the drastic cuts to the social safety net that Ahh-nuld made KamaAina May 2016 #67
That is disappointing. Ash_F May 2016 #2
Fracking metroins May 2016 #3
So poisoning people's water seems to be ok to you? AZ Progressive May 2016 #6
Yes metroins May 2016 #12
Please look at the Gasland and Gasland II documentaries AZ Progressive May 2016 #13
Please look at the asco meeting notes from 2013 metroins May 2016 #25
Water is an essential building block of life on earth. mmonk May 2016 #9
Yes it is. metroins May 2016 #14
The problem is that we now know that the consequences are long term Ash_F May 2016 #10
Yes, there consequences. metroins May 2016 #15
When does your "short term" support for fracking end? KeepItReal May 2016 #47
When a cleaner metroins May 2016 #49
Are you also for the export of fracked petrochemical products to foreign markets? KeepItReal May 2016 #68
I'm most certainly pro economic development metroins May 2016 #70
You might as well be for profits over people if you support fracking AZ Progressive May 2016 #75
I think you may be extrapolating metroins May 2016 #77
What the ? "Life isn't about 1 issue or fixing everything at once." First of all one is rhett o rick May 2016 #62
Destroying the Earth does disqualify you, yes. roody Jun 2016 #94
Life isn't about 1 issue? It's a biggie if you live in the middle of it. ebayfool Jun 2016 #95
CA thanks AZ for its concern. Starry Messenger May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive May 2016 #8
Also John McCain and Joe Arpaio. ucrdem May 2016 #82
The state that made immigrants live in fear. Starry Messenger May 2016 #83
Uh-oh ucrdem May 2016 #84
Seriously. Starry Messenger May 2016 #86
Yep ucrdem May 2016 #87
Boom! redstateblues Jun 2016 #105
Interesting that Hillary supporters here act like fracking is no big deal AZ Progressive May 2016 #11
Amazing how litmus-test purity police discount the totality of a lifetime of good work BeyondGeography May 2016 #16
So you wanna be like a Republican? AZ Progressive May 2016 #20
Fellow HRC endorser Tom Hayden thinks you're wrong about Brown's environmental record BeyondGeography May 2016 #23
Seem to have missed that. Eko May 2016 #19
THE WHEELS ON THE BUS GO ROLL, ROLL, ROLL! Tarc May 2016 #17
This election is separating the wheat from the chaff. pdsimdars May 2016 #18
Indeed! AZ Progressive May 2016 #21
Democrats are showing their true colors. Maedhros May 2016 #29
Progressives put people first, Moderate / Conservative Republicans put Corporations first AZ Progressive May 2016 #22
Correct Ferd Berfel May 2016 #52
^^ This ^^ Scuba May 2016 #56
You guys need a bus the size of Antarctica at this point. nt JTFrog May 2016 #24
More purity calls. Even Bernie fails them. CrowCityDem May 2016 #26
Brown signs climate change bill to spur renewable energy, efficiency standards Starry Messenger May 2016 #27
Good grief, Jerry Brown is a solid Dem (nt) TacoD May 2016 #28
Your not convincing anyone... AZ Progressive May 2016 #31
Even the article you link goes out of its way to laud Brown's strong environmental record on most TacoD May 2016 #37
If your honest 99% of the time and you do a big lie, is that enough for others to lose trust in you? AZ Progressive May 2016 #39
If you are progressive on 99% of issues and wrong on a big one, is that enough for others to TacoD May 2016 #40
Tell me how you can justify poisoning the water supply and flirting with earthquake faults and.... AZ Progressive May 2016 #59
The same way Bernie can justify helping murderers easily get guns. Everyone has something. CrowCityDem May 2016 #76
"Solid Dem" is not equivalent with "liberal" or "progressive" or "decent politician." [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #32
Jerry Brown is liberal, progressive and a decent politician (nt) TacoD May 2016 #50
No true progressive TacoD May 2016 #30
No pay attention. Maedhros May 2016 #34
You seem to take particular delight in telling people you're ignoring them (nt) TacoD May 2016 #38
LOL: "I generally don't like to put people on ignore" TacoD May 2016 #45
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! zappaman May 2016 #33
Thank you. Lucinda May 2016 #63
They attack anyone who endorses Hillary. They are no more tolerant than the Tea Party IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #35
Surprising how few here actually give a damn about the people in California AZ Progressive May 2016 #36
"And most who have posted here are Hillary's chihuahuas..." zappaman May 2016 #41
Hillary supporters put Hillary over party and country AZ Progressive May 2016 #44
Some here denigrate a fantastic governor because he didn't endorse their candidate. zappaman May 2016 #48
If your good 99.9% of the time and then commit murder, does that still make you a good person? AZ Progressive May 2016 #51
Murder? Give me a break. Something tells me your contempt for Gov. Brown is newfound as of TacoD May 2016 #60
Fracking matters in California because a lot of it is in the Central Valley, where the nation's... AZ Progressive May 2016 #64
Calling people names when your thread fails...is that progressive? BeyondGeography May 2016 #43
What a fucking disgusting comment. JTFrog Jun 2016 #93
Last week Bill Clinton went to Sacramento for a long meeting with Jerry Brown. senz May 2016 #42
He must have had those pics of Jerry in drag. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #89
Nah, probably just carrot and stick stuff -- politics as usual. senz May 2016 #90
There goes Jerry......... Beacool May 2016 #46
Much of the party is corrupt. That's what corporate money / special interest money does AZ Progressive May 2016 #54
he's done so much else that is wrong, too! amborin May 2016 #53
he double-crossed on the water tunnels & habitat preservation amborin May 2016 #55
Do you why he's for the Twin Tunnels Project even thought he knows it's DOA? Brother Buzz May 2016 #69
OMG.... Jerry under the bus, along with Warren and Louis and PP and Neral. seabeyond May 2016 #61
Yeah, let's be honest, shall we? NanceGreggs May 2016 #65
No fucking shit. zappaman May 2016 #71
They would be proposing him as VP! lol BootinUp May 2016 #74
And not one has successfully defended fracking here. My purpose is done :D AZ Progressive May 2016 #66
If your purpose was to show you know fuck all about Jerry Brown, then success! zappaman May 2016 #72
metroins did upthread: it's less bad than coal, which is the other option (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #97
Under the bus he goes Dem2 May 2016 #73
Like this? Mnpaul May 2016 #78
great clip woolldog May 2016 #91
CBS had it on the evening news Mnpaul May 2016 #92
Let us be honest about Samders spporters at DU... brooklynite May 2016 #79
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #80
Who are "Samders spporters"? Ken Burch Jun 2016 #99
Brown is one of our best liberal leaders. DCBob May 2016 #81
Being wrong on 1 or 2 issues is not a disqualifier phleshdef May 2016 #85
What a fucking shocker!! ronnykmarshall May 2016 #88
Hillary + Jerry : True Fracking Lurve... AzDar Jun 2016 #96
TY for that link. It explains in wonderful detail why some of us have a big problem with Brown and - ebayfool Jun 2016 #100
Brown's also STILL a hardline drug warrior(in a time when the drug war is totally discredited) Ken Burch Jun 2016 #98
let's be truthful about sanders. He's an opportunist with no real accomplishments. His only plan is MariaThinks Jun 2016 #101
Embarrassing post alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #107
What's embarrassing is the fracking support/denial I'm seeing in this thread. ebayfool Jun 2016 #109
The wheels on your bus go round and round, well-suited for throwing the latest apostate under. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #108
I wonder what you'll write when Elizabeth Warren endorses Hillary? book_worm Jun 2016 #110
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