2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts) Thu May 26, 2016, 07:06 PM May 2016

It's not Bernie's fault his supporters think the system is rigged-the SYSTEM IS RIGGED. [View all]

(on edit)And by "the system", those supporters don't just mean the nominating process..they mean the whole political and economic structure of this country and this world.

They would think the system was rigged even if Bernie hadn't run.

They would distrust HRC even if she had run unchallenged.

And there is nothing Bernie could say that would make those people, particularly the young, think they should trust the existing order.

It's up to those of us who want young people to work, at least partially, within the system to listen to what they are saying and acknowledge the truths their words contain.

Those who don't want young people to feel the system is a con need to step up and change the system.

That's what being a progressive is supposed to mean...working FOR change.

To use the truest words anyone said in the Sixties, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".

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It's not Bernie's fault his supporters think the system is rigged-the SYSTEM IS RIGGED. [View all] Ken Burch May 2016 OP

You're going to hate the next eight years. nt onehandle May 2016 #1

I'm not. I have little invested in "The Clinton Camelot." Raster May 2016 #5

If HRC does prove herself trustworthy, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Ken Burch May 2016 #7

Politically you're right Armstead May 2016 #26

Like OWS, like Sanders himself, you want to shout "Change!" from the rooftops w/o specifying what. randome May 2016 #2

Horse banure....Many of us have been working within our own spheres for positive change Armstead May 2016 #27

When you're on the national stage, however, you need more than platitudes. randome May 2016 #91

+1, shout change and then complain when the one guy who's doing everything isn't fast enough uponit7771 May 2016 #37

no, we've been moving to the right for a long time, under Reagan, Clinton, W, JCanete May 2016 #88

All these phony cries of the white male candidate being oppressed by the system is why bravenak May 2016 #3

Amen, girl. A freaking men. But let me fix that for you Number23 May 2016 #22

They may as well get used to it!!! bravenak May 2016 #25

You're a known anti-semite whose attacked Bernie for months. He is a minority Arazi May 2016 #80

You are STILL following me around. Have you nothing to do with your time? bravenak May 2016 #81

300 posts/day +/- means you're going to cross paths with some of us more than once Arazi May 2016 #82

Bet I see you again today bravenak May 2016 #83

Plan on it. Now I know you care Arazi May 2016 #85

Toodleoo bravenak May 2016 #86

This might be my most fave bs post on DU evah Arazi May 2016 #87

the system is rigged against African-Americans and women. geek tragedy May 2016 #4

And women and minorities haven't gained anything from what has happened so far. Ken Burch May 2016 #8

I'm quite sure Clinton is aware of the structural problems nt geek tragedy May 2016 #9

And how transformative was Bernie if he FAILED to win our votes? bravenak May 2016 #10

He did't FAIL to win AA votes. Those voters were scared away from him by ugly design. Ken Burch May 2016 #17

It doesn't help when campaign surrogates say stuff like "Hillary won the Confederacy" and his TwilightZone May 2016 #23

Bravo -- + 1000 Armstead May 2016 #28

He damn sure did fail bravenak May 2016 #30

Very, very well said! barrow-wight May 2016 #34

WOW!!! NanceGreggs May 2016 #36

We have lots of amnesia. They can only remember shit I say but ignore the millions of crazy shit bravenak May 2016 #38

But, but, but ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #46

Yes yes yes. bravenak May 2016 #51

They amnesia is about to end soon, I got all types of their racist shit bookmarked screen printed an uponit7771 May 2016 #47

You gonna run out of memory on your computer, soon bravenak May 2016 #48

You're supporting the conservative. Ken Burch May 2016 #54

So why didn't POC vote for Bernie? redstateblues May 2016 #77

Some POC did...he just didn't get the majority(he did get get 50% of AA voters under 30) Ken Burch May 2016 #79

That dang Brother West. bravenak May 2016 #84

Spare me. Ken Burch May 2016 #60

First off ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #72

You go, girl! greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #45

Nobody should have harassed you. Ken Burch May 2016 #50

He should have TOLD THEM AGAIN bravenak May 2016 #56

Get it girl uponit7771 May 2016 #53

Another racially fucked up post with negative connotations towards a minority ethnicity uponit7771 May 2016 #52

It's not fucked up to point out that Bernie was smeared on race. Ken Burch May 2016 #57

"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you're talking about is African-American...".... uponit7771 May 2016 #59

That was a term used by the freedom movement and the Panthers in the Sixties. Ken Burch May 2016 #64

+1000 Katashi_itto May 2016 #90

+1. according to Weaver and Diving they didn't even compete in most of the "Southern States" uponit7771 May 2016 #40

Oh, yes, 'the confederacy'. bravenak May 2016 #42

Saying the system is rigged isn't just about Bernie's candidacy. It's much deeper than that. Ken Burch May 2016 #14

That was a lot of words typed to say that you agree that Sanders should stop whining no? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #41

Bernie isn't whining. This isn't about him or his ego. Ken Burch May 2016 #44

ken...he's whining or he's a little... slow!?... seeing he didn't start talking about the DNC being uponit7771 May 2016 #62

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #39

Funny thing; no one said any of this until Bernie started whining. CrowCityDem May 2016 #6

Wrong. Lots of people have said the system(political and economic)has been rigged for decades. Ken Burch May 2016 #11

People have said the same thing for thousands of years. randome May 2016 #19

prove it. reddread May 2016 #24

Here are several ways the system is rigged Ken Burch May 2016 #65

You must be unfamiliar with Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky....pfft!!! haikugal May 2016 #29

lol... did you sleep through 2000? 2004? vintx May 2016 #93

Bernie told his supporters the system is rigged Renew Deal May 2016 #12

The references to the system being rigged wer never just about the primary campaign. Ken Burch May 2016 #15

Your posts get more ridiculous by the minute. 99Forever May 2016 #74

The primary process isn't rigged. Bernie's just losing. Zynx May 2016 #13

We aren't just talking about the primary process. Ken Burch May 2016 #16

Do you think a fucking system where you have to super rich to run isn't rigged? Armstead May 2016 #32

Then how would Sanders fix that? randome May 2016 #33

Well he'd start with what he has already done.... Armstead May 2016 #61

Bill Clinton and Obama weren't super rich when they geek tragedy May 2016 #49

They aligned with the super rich and big corproations through the DLC Armstead May 2016 #58

Obama wasn't DLC nt geek tragedy May 2016 #69

So Hillary supporters think that "the system is rigged" is nothing more than a conspiracy theory... AZ Progressive May 2016 #18

no, just white, male, privileged whining seeing the long shot black guy won in the system in 08 uponit7771 May 2016 #43

^^^This^^^ desmiller May 2016 #63

Give me a whine.... Ya!!! seabeyond May 2016 #20

No whining involved here. Ken Burch May 2016 #21

Uh hu. seabeyond May 2016 #31

You mean the system the long shot black guy won with in 08? Yeah, it's rigged alright.. privilged uponit7771 May 2016 #35

It's not rigged KingFlorez May 2016 #55

graphic warning applies reddread May 2016 #66

^ This. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #70

"retail politics" means having no strong principles and just schmoozing. Ken Burch May 2016 #67

Do you know what retail politics means? No, so educate yourself KingFlorez May 2016 #68

Bernie isn't going to become a perennial candidate. n/t. Ken Burch May 2016 #75

Yes, just not in the way he is telling you. wildeyed May 2016 #71

Exactly! 99Forever May 2016 #73

Trump feels the system is rigged against BS.. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #76

How bad is it? Bernie Sanders did the Democratic Party, that DNC, a favor running Todays_Illusion May 2016 #78

Concur laserhaas May 2016 #89

Then Sanders needs to quit feeding it with false accusations. seabeyond May 2016 #92

Not many Chomsky fans in this thread, apparently. bunnies May 2016 #94