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apnu

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33. AZ is a state wide issue, IL and NY are county issues.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

In NY the purge only happened in Brooklyn. Not Queens, not the Bronx, not Manhattan, not Staten Island, and not Long Island. All of which Hillary carried handily. Whatever happened there it was localized there.

Same for Chicago. Whatever happened, happened because of the CBOE. But because the way Illinois is, where Chicago goes, so goes the whole state. There are 12.88 million people in Illinois, about 2.7 million of them live in Chicago proper, and 5.2 million of them live in Cook County. So whatever happens in Cook County, for the most part, wins the state. Meaning Illinois is ripe for corruption and other issues. Unlike NY because of the boroughs, northern suburbs of NYC and Long Island population densities.

Each state's situation is different. In AZ its about republican voter suppression and gerrymandering. Chicago and Illinois, rank corruption. NYC is its own compartmentalized animal.

This stuff happens all the time, at every point in American history. After probably the first election, we haven't had a clean one since we split between Jefferson (state power) and Madison (federal power) political groups. Its been a total mess from that point forward.

It wasn't acceptable in 1791, its not acceptable now, but its what we've lived with because we have not collected together enough to clean it up. And that's what we need to do, collect together and clean up this patchwork system of elections we've got.

I'm a Madison type, I believe we're better with a strong central government. Obviously the states and counties are incapable of operating a clean election or having any kind of common standard, that's the exact time the a strong central government needs to step in and normalize things.

We should have a uniform electoral process that all parties must adhere to. We should have standard voting machines that every county uses and every voter knows. We should have automatic voter registration, or no registration at all, just show up and vote. And other things, but the point is our process should be uniform and well known to the population. It also should be easy and encouraging to vote, we should have a national holiday every year just for voting.

For me, this means she would be as legitimate a nominee as Bush was president. djean111 Apr 2016 #1
Exactly....just what I was thinking earlier! Punkingal Apr 2016 #19
illinois ballot integrity project has some evidence questionseverything Apr 2016 #28
you forgot MA hill2016 Apr 2016 #1
i'm completely with you on this mooseprime Apr 2016 #3
I don't accept your non-acceptance nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #4
Of course you don't. Isn't that the whole point sufrommich Apr 2016 #5
There is way too much talk of election irregularities from way too many places to be dismissing them -none Apr 2016 #6
And it isn't just talk. In many of these states there is evidence that will stand up in court. reformist2 Apr 2016 #45
Good. I hope the people responsible see jail time. -none Apr 2016 #46
These voting machines are hackable. Other countries ban them. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #7
Jennifer Brunner, SOS OF Ohio... peace13 Apr 2016 #10
Not only the machines can be hacked RobertEarl Apr 2016 #11
Actually, I don't think NY has been certified yet. peace13 Apr 2016 #8
O.K. ...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #9
Stick a fork in your "Stick a fork," clown! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #37
Bernie lost... SidDithers Apr 2016 #38
electionfraud2016.worpress.com dana_b Apr 2016 #12
it does need addressed, in illinois election integrity activists need money to go to court questionseverything Apr 2016 #14
contributing today! dana_b Apr 2016 #16
tyty...please help spread the word questionseverything Apr 2016 #17
After I dnated, I posted it on twitter & FB dana_b Apr 2016 #22
every American should want an honest vote count. if we can get that back questionseverything Apr 2016 #25
I hate to say this, but Debbie has lost it passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #75
Didn't seem to bother anyone when they announced their plans. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #13
You should only accept the results of states that Bernie won. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #15
... woolldog Apr 2016 #52
Well, duh! Anywhere else is automatically suspect. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #66
K & R lmbradford Apr 2016 #18
Re-votes don't happen, and no state can or will have UN observers Tarc Apr 2016 #20
Fair elections are silly felix_numinous Apr 2016 #42
I know some folks are still whistling past the grave nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #21
that's kind of where I'm heading, nadin, BUT dana_b Apr 2016 #23
Hey I still pretend to vote nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #26
We are nearing the point of no return, where a majority don't seem to care. reformist2 Apr 2016 #32
Related. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #36
No, just no. Your statement that the majority don't seem to care is wrong. haikugal Apr 2016 #51
THIS ..m is exactly what i've been hearing millennial say for years now. KPN Apr 2016 #53
And... millenials will soon take the next step nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #54
Exactly. KPN Apr 2016 #67
And we are seeing the early signs of it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #68
Frankly, its kind of exciting. KPN Apr 2016 #69
Yeah they are nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #70
Yup. KPN Apr 2016 #71
Bernie Sanders accepts New York and Illinois... brooklynite Apr 2016 #24
You forgot MA as well. glowing Apr 2016 #27
most of the south has no paper to count either questionseverything Apr 2016 #29
I was just going to post that xloadiex Apr 2016 #34
It was wrong when Bush did, it is wrong when Her does it. FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #30
I've never liked voting machines . apcalc Apr 2016 #31
AZ is a state wide issue, IL and NY are county issues. apnu Apr 2016 #33
we need hand counted paper ballots at the precinct in full view on election night! questionseverything Apr 2016 #62
Election Justice has added more to the lawsuit xloadiex Apr 2016 #35
I don't accept Iowa either Kalidurga Apr 2016 #39
Nevada and Iowa were not cool, either. merrily Apr 2016 #40
reformist2, please amend your AZ point to add this... Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #41
Done! We also need to investigate the exit polls. reformist2 Apr 2016 #49
Same software systems, same exit poll company nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #56
Did they rig the polls, too? tgards79 Apr 2016 #43
We need to go all the way back to the beginning... Iowa! NWCorona Apr 2016 #44
That plate is on Debbie DINO's car. -none Apr 2016 #55
I do not accept gravity! zappaman Apr 2016 #47
You do that. reformist2 Apr 2016 #50
I say my hockey team was cheated by the refs too Dem2 Apr 2016 #48
Citizens of Voting Age PCPrincess Apr 2016 #57
So, do you think any of the issues raised in the O/P would have affected who won? Dem2 Apr 2016 #61
You know what is silly about this statement nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #72
Straw man Dem2 Apr 2016 #73
Not one bit nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #74
I read your posts, I know you're an intelligent person Dem2 Apr 2016 #76
Not over reacting nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #77
Damn straight. dinkytron Apr 2016 #58
So what? hack89 Apr 2016 #59
sooo many, so oblivious to the obvious hz_xlnc Apr 2016 #60
I feel the same way. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #63
Without it there is no democracy. Gregorian Apr 2016 #64
Silly lefties. Unicorns, rainbows and fair elections are just blue sky pipe dreams. Scuba Apr 2016 #65
And then there are those consistent unfavorability polls for Clinton/Trump Lodestar Apr 2016 #78
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