2016 Postmortem

DrDan

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68. you know what's ironic

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:39 PM

Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:02 AM - Edit history (1)

I say all of this as an independent myself - have been since about 20 minutes after the IWR vote

I could not even vote for my candidate in our state's primary. I could work for her. Contribute to her campaign. Talk her up with my friends and acquaintances. But could not vote for her.

I still feel strongly about this. If I want to vote for a party candidate, then I should join a party. I prefer to not do so - to retain my independence. And am willing to pay the price.

And I don't play the join/unjoin game. But have no problem with those that do - if it floats their boat.

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Independents are NOT the enemy. [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2016 OP

Hillary believes in Democratic Party purity. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #1

The purity of her notion that the Democratic Party has to be "moderate". Ken Burch Apr 2016 #4

No. She believes we should compromise with republicans Kittycat Apr 2016 #14

It really is voter suppression how both parties are fighting to keep independents from voting HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #2

People who think for themselves are dangerous to parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #3

+1 Zira Apr 2016 #87

No they are not, republicans are. Agschmid Apr 2016 #5

Independents are not a monolith. There are as many conservative independents as progressive... CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #6

But it's only progressive indies voting for Bernie. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #16

LOL, sure. "Progressive" indies voting for Sadners. Hahahaha. Good one. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #18

Bullshit. There aren't any states where Bernie won on Ron Paul votes. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #22

Party loyalists hate anything and anyone they can't control. That's okay. I welcome their hatred. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #7

as do I. fuck those cult like assholes. nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #52

Independents tend to be radical in temperament. It cuts both ways with them. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #8

These are radical times. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #24

It's very much like Black Friday. You start giving things away and a "me,me,me" crowd appears. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #28

Like all the corporate lobbyists swarming around Hillary Fumesucker Apr 2016 #36

The corporate crowd loves their free stuff too. I never suggested that greed has boundaries. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #47

The Republicans I know will denounce corporate greed too, if I bring it up... Fumesucker Apr 2016 #86

He is a one tone buster BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #119

Bernie isn't "giving things away". Ken Burch Apr 2016 #55

If that's how you feel, fine. But someone does have to pay for that. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #56

The corporations can be made to. The rich can be made to. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #58

You know we have 35 trillion dollars (think about that number) floating nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #65

That's a common RW propaganda smear against Dem party - used for decades. blm Apr 2016 #129

seems to me the party's nominee should be determined by the party members DrDan Apr 2016 #9

Because given our system that will have to vote for those parties nominees in a GE... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #10

Then they can join the party. LonePirate Apr 2016 #29

If this process gets them to join us, it's worth it. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #12

I have absolutely no problem with him running DrDan Apr 2016 #17

He'd be doing just as well. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #23

it's not like registering is a monumental task . . . DrDan Apr 2016 #30

So you've just admitted you're making a big deal over nothing. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #38

no - registering/unregistering is a state matter DrDan Apr 2016 #42

And every indy who voted Bernie would STILL have voted Bernie if they had had to re-register. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #49

is that supposed to provide an a-ha moment for me? DrDan Apr 2016 #51

So how long do you think I have to be a registered democrat to vote? DebDoo Apr 2016 #25

depends on the state - go for it - I have no problem with that DrDan Apr 2016 #27

So why bother making me register? DebDoo Apr 2016 #44

the candidate represents a particular party - I think members of that party are the proper ones DrDan Apr 2016 #45

Again, if I'm going to immediately remove myself from the party, why bother? Voter suppression? DebDoo Apr 2016 #50

yeah - that's it . . . . suppress the vote DrDan Apr 2016 #53

What other reason is there to make someone go through the hassle of registering for one day? DebDoo Apr 2016 #57

look - that is my opinion - a political party's candidate should be selected DrDan Apr 2016 #60

Making someone register for a party for theexpress purpose of voting makes it more difficult for one DebDoo Apr 2016 #62

yep - that 2 minutes or so creates such a burden - obviously suppression DrDan Apr 2016 #67

it's an unnecessary step. It doesn't matter how long it takes DebDoo Apr 2016 #71

you know what's ironic DrDan Apr 2016 #68

The Democrats need to bring in new and former Democrats All in it together Apr 2016 #97

Registered Dems = 29%. Can't win without Independants. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #13

Given the horrendous Republican alternatives, Dems shouldn't worry over any blackmail pressure LonePirate Apr 2016 #32

It is not blackmail. TM99 Apr 2016 #78

I urge you to close all primaries nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #15

Maybe they should shut out the Independent voters in the general election too. Contrary1 Apr 2016 #20

Agreed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #21

So you want Independents to mount a third party run to hand the election to Trump or Cruz? LonePirate Apr 2016 #40

Point out where I said that... Contrary1 Apr 2016 #63

You said a viable 3rd party should be created. LonePirate Apr 2016 #64

I said "A viable 3rd and 4th party would be the result" Contrary1 Apr 2016 #73

What is the point of party primaries if anyone can vote in them? Adrahil Apr 2016 #110

They truly had a use earlier nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #114

I think that is a naive view. Adrahil Apr 2016 #116

Fine. TM99 Apr 2016 #59

these are not candidates-at-large - they represent a party DrDan Apr 2016 #61

Still doesn't address TM99 Apr 2016 #79

Is there a mystical initiation ritual required to vote for a Democrat? Armstead Apr 2016 #128

I think all primaries should be open... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #11

Exactly. Focus on what REALLY matters and that's the GE. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #120

Who has said that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #19

We have open primaries/caucuses in most of the states where we have them Ken Burch Apr 2016 #31

That is not correct, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #39

And again, it isn't just about what people call themselves. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #46

NO, the disabled are BainsBane Apr 2016 #26

The only issue with proxy voting is that is is supposed to be one proxy per person. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #34

Where is the one proxy per person rule? Codeine Apr 2016 #98

Party rule in Wyoming. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #100

Where is that rule? Codeine Apr 2016 #103

Heck, even the party refers to them as "absentee ballots" Codeine Apr 2016 #105

No one is against Independents... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #33

If all the primaries and caucuse were closed, all of the indies would have re-registered as Dems Ken Burch Apr 2016 #37

Then why didn't they ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #77

We don't know that they haven't. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #81

ex-actly! DrDan Apr 2016 #43

This ^ PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #54

thank you dana_b Apr 2016 #35

No one said they were the enemy. They just can not vote in closed in primaries. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #41

We all know that. It's also been the case that, everytime Bernie won, your side said Ken Burch Apr 2016 #70

Well your side dismissed Hillary's wins in the south so it is not like my hrmjustin Apr 2016 #72

We haven't dismissed those wins. They happened. We just said they didn't end the campaign. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #74

Of course your side dismissed those wins. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #76

You are only saying that because all your candidate has going for her Ken Burch Apr 2016 #80

Why is Sanders struggling with African American voters? hrmjustin Apr 2016 #83

Several reasons Ken Burch Apr 2016 #90

Well I will let African Americans speak for themselves but if he doesn't improve hrmjustin Apr 2016 #91

OK, but he is doing well in NY. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #92

I was not aware you live in NY. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #93

I follow it over the MSM. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #94

Well he may get big rallies but he is only get in the upper 30's or lower 40's in the polls here. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #95

Poll that was out this morning had him at 47% Ken Burch Apr 2016 #96

It's not a myth. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #109

He would never have been a major organizer in the freedom movement if he thought that. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #111

... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #112

You make it sound like Bernie is going to ignore racism. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #113

Thank you! As someone against war and corruption I expect I will be one soon. Zira Apr 2016 #48

I think the issue is the various primary rules state by state where some Independents are excluded. blm Apr 2016 #66

Open Primaries encourage 'mischief' voting Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #85

I prefer uniform closed primaries in every state. I think the rest fosters conspiracy talk blm Apr 2016 #88

Jane Sanders on MSNBC said she has this exact same position on primary voting. blm Apr 2016 #127

Thank you Ken. TM99 Apr 2016 #69

This is yet another way they are like the GOP. . . the GOP keep missing the message too pdsimdars Apr 2016 #121

I wouldn't be surprised to see a new political party emerge from this election. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #75

...just ONE...? Ken Burch Apr 2016 #106

Independents are usually required to win the GE. The question is pampango Apr 2016 #82

Independents ARE the enemy if they hate you and you place your own ambition above the public good. Attorney in Texas Apr 2016 #84

Ah yes, but which independents? JackRiddler Apr 2016 #89

To me, it depends on the independents gollygee Apr 2016 #99

Nobody is calling for us to embrace THOSE independents, though. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #101

That's why I added the last line in the first paragraph. gollygee Apr 2016 #102

Thank you for saying that. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #104

Bernie got 72% of independents in the last primary, that should give you a pretty good idea pdsimdars Apr 2016 #122

It should be as easy as possible to join the party... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #107

Absolutely Ken Burch Apr 2016 #115

Funny to see everyone from Team Hill pretend they haven't been attacking Indys Hydra Apr 2016 #108

Well, SOME are not the enemy. Adrahil Apr 2016 #117

All you have to do is look at the way they have been talking about Independents and it's easy pdsimdars Apr 2016 #123

And I'll shoot this back at you..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #124

I'm thinking, from your response, that THEY are not the self-righteous ones. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #130

Independents are 42% of voters, Democrats only about 30% pdsimdars Apr 2016 #118

K and R bigwillq Apr 2016 #125

To the Clintonites Bettie Apr 2016 #126