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damonm

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36. Massive Historical wrongness.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016
...(T)oday’s political dynamics are far different than in 1972, when Nixon deployed his dirty tricks, a Democratic old guard fought to undermine their nominee, and white Democrats were being wooed en masse to the right. That’s why I disagree with Miroff’s conclusions. As historian Rick Perlstein put it in 2008, “McGovern lost within a context about as foreign to our current political debates as the French Revolution.”

The Democratic Party is today far more unified than it was in 1972, four years after a convention that witnessed police violence in the streets and chaos on the floor as New Left activists fought to dislodge the establishment. It was really, really bad. AFL-CIO head George Meany turned labor against McGovern, calling him “an apologist for the Communist world.” Sore loser Democrat Hubert Humphrey, congratulating Nixon after his reelection, suggested that he had worked to defeat his own party’s nominee. Today, party establishment figures like Ed Rendell might defect to support a third-party run by a neoliberal technocrat like Michael Bloomberg. But whereas in 1972 Democratic voters were deeply split, the Sanders’ candidacy has exposed a new and different gap: the enormous abyss between party voters and officials. The vast majority of rank-and-file Clinton voters would likely back Sanders as the nominee. The same was not at all true of McGovern.
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The New Deal coalition was fracturing and Nixon adroitly picked up the pieces. Today, things are quite different: Many of the hard hats that aren’t rioting toward Donald Trump appear to be mobilizing around democratic socialist Bernie Sanders. Today’s electorate is once again undergoing a big-time churn but in a totally new way. Sanders’ campaign, as Matt Karp writes at Jacobin, has united working-class whites and young people while Clinton is attracting support from the affluent and voters of color. In 2008, Obama added overwhelming black and Latino support to the standard affluent and educated Dean/Bradley insurgent coalition, while Clinton held on to the white working class. Today, everything is scrambled.


For this reason, Sanders seems best poised to take on Trump’s support among the sort of union-member, working class whites won to the right under Nixon and Reagan. Clinton’s hold on a large majority of black voters poses a big problem for Sanders in the primary (though one that could very well diminish, given Clinton’s slide in the polls and the growing number of high-profile black activists feeling the Bern). In the general election, however, either Democratic candidate would win overwhelming black support. What Sanders can likely do in a way that Clinton cannot is win over genuine swing voters, crafting a true Rainbow Coalition that for the first time includes white working class voters.


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[link:http://www.salon.com/2016/02/01/the_electability_argument_is_bogus_why_bernie_sanders_isnt_the_second_coming_of_george_mcgovern/|
This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 OP
Ralph Nader. onehandle Mar 2016 #1
What about the issues they both stood for? n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #12
Nothing in common at all. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #46
FDR was a rich establishment candidate like Hillary. OhZone Mar 2016 #2
Personal stuff, maybe. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #6
FDR May Have Been Wealthy, However His Heart AND Policies Were FOR THE PEOPLE! CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #32
Oh God DetroitSocialist83 Mar 2016 #8
Disliked - OhZone Mar 2016 #11
"You've swallowed propaganda and lies, I'm afraid" blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #13
She's 'winning'.... daleanime Mar 2016 #26
Politically? FDR, no doubt. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #3
I think all of those candidates DetroitSocialist83 Mar 2016 #4
So he's part of them all, but not similiar enough to vote? blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #14
1/2 RFK, 1/2 FDR Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #5
FDR: I Welcome Their Hatred blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #16
Hillary: "I WELCOME THEIR CASH!" n/t Herman4747 Mar 2016 #28
This is your FDR chance so here's praying! In terms of vision, he's somewhat like JFK. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #7
McGovern. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #9
Would you mind explaining why? blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #19
Spiteful? Me? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #22
You needed an "all of the above." merrily Mar 2016 #10
oooooooooo..... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #20
Hence the use of past tense in my prior post. merrily Mar 2016 #25
unneeded, but funny meme, I'm putting the edit there instead for the other votes... n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #48
James K Polk. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #15
Without the past we would have no present....n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #31
Right, which is why it makes perfect sense for me to send you morse code smoke signals, here Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #34
Maybe you could try to be less of an asshole BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #37
Im pretty well versed in history, thanks, chief. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #39
History is being made.... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #50
The POTUS that Hillary Clinton reminds me most of in terms of policy and method is Richard Nixon. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #40
Ive noted certain parallels, too. Which is ironic given her resume, starting with watergate. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #45
So this poll is was simply a nihilistic exercise? n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #47
Nihilism? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #49
Sanders is just like McGovern Gothmog Mar 2016 #17
Link not there....n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #23
This old campaign ad from 1971 sheds a lot of light on Bernie Sanders's appeal Gothmog Mar 2016 #27
No one would have beaten Nixon in 1972. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #42
Massive Historical wrongness. damonm Mar 2016 #36
Should've included Jesse Jackson! blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #43
Yeah to that. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #44
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Mar 2016 #51
Oh yeah! I remember seeing that ad on the internet, at the time. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #38
You could have thrown in Truman BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #18
Beat me by ONE. MINUTE. LOL n/t damonm Mar 2016 #24
Harry Truman damonm Mar 2016 #21
yes 840high Mar 2016 #33
If this same question were asked about Hillary... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author haikugal Mar 2016 #30
I said McGovern Trenzalore Mar 2016 #35
I have great respect for all of them, so Iwon't vote in this poll.... Time for change Mar 2016 #41
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