2016 Postmortem

brooklynite

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3. By "stifling" you seem to mean "not getting THEIR candidate nominated..."

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:37 PM

Feb 2016

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Tough.

Welcome to the real world where politics is a zero-sum game. One candidate wins, everyone else loses. You work like hell, then you accept the results (good or bad) and start working again.

I started out in politics in the late 70s, through the Reagan/Bush era. A LOT of the candidates I supported lost. I didn't stamp my foot at the unfairness that MY choice wasn't the choice of the voters. I moved on to the next campaign and tried again.

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I'm old and jaded. I sure hate to see the enthusiasm of young people stifled instead of encouraged. [View all] Armstead Feb 2016 OP

Suppression seems to be the main theme anymore combined with divide and conquer. I don't even RKP5637 Feb 2016 #1

We Are Trying to Prevent the Election of Richard Nixon Stallion Feb 2016 #2

agreed glaeken777 Feb 2016 #35

Those three assassinations killed a spirit I can't even describe. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #80

Look at those hipsters! nt thereismore Feb 2016 #58

Here are maps of the presidential results going way back. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #90

Yes 2016 is exactly like 1968 and 1972.....and 1952 and 1864 Armstead Feb 2016 #105

No one would have beaten Nixon in 1972. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #141

By "stifling" you seem to mean "not getting THEIR candidate nominated..." brooklynite Feb 2016 #3

It's actually farleftlib Feb 2016 #5

You are incorrect that "the sum at the end of the game is zero for the one who loses." Vattel Feb 2016 #67

That's OK farleftlib Feb 2016 #77

+1 Yet, no issues with stifling young Hillary supporters. grossproffit Feb 2016 #6

Your comment would make sense if the slamming of young voters did not happen in advance of any Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #102

No I'm experienced enough and smart enough to know the difference between... Armstead Feb 2016 #103

All those young people have to do is workinclasszero Feb 2016 #4

Maybe if the caucus wouldn't have been such chaos he would have prevailed. Amazing how they REFUSED Skwmom Feb 2016 #13

Hey I dont like the caucus style voting either workinclasszero Feb 2016 #17

Point to any instance where "chaos" kept someone who supported Sanders from voting... brooklynite Feb 2016 #54

Sure! Right here. Bubzer Feb 2016 #73

If I were a young Hillary supporter I wouldn't feel very welcome on this forum. grossproffit Feb 2016 #7

I have zero sympathy workinclasszero Feb 2016 #10

+1 I dislike all the complaining and excuses treestar Feb 2016 #60

Right workinclasszero Feb 2016 #97

With Sec Clinton's War Support tazkcmo Feb 2016 #153

Amen. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #160

In the 3 primaries/caucuses we've had so far jeff47 Feb 2016 #11

If you were a young Hillary supporter, you would be advocating the final sale of our democracy FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #45

Well you would certainly feel uncomfortable with me, then Trajan Feb 2016 #76

Well, now... chervilant Feb 2016 #83

There's always the Hillary Group Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #147

I agree. Though if you give up you let them win. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #8

I don't think they will be stifled farleftlib Feb 2016 #9

I hope not -- But it is depressing and angering to see the attempt to do it Armstead Feb 2016 #15

Yes farleftlib Feb 2016 #21

And, hopefully, the voice will get louder. Duval Feb 2016 #85

Democratic Leaders are destroying the future of the Democratic Party Dems to Win Feb 2016 #12

Me, too. chervilant Feb 2016 #86

Are flags the same as iris's? My Mom loved them also. nt Duval Feb 2016 #89

Yes, chervilant Feb 2016 #91

seems to me that should be a two-way street DrDan Feb 2016 #14

If they are told to "Give up and support the Meh candidate of the status quo.." Armstead Feb 2016 #16

so we should give credence to threats of staying home if their candidate is not nominated? DrDan Feb 2016 #20

Yes, you should. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #40

That doesn't work treestar Feb 2016 #61

If my state looks to be in play (unlikely)... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #99

well then - they can stay home - its their future as well DrDan Feb 2016 #72

What?!? chervilant Feb 2016 #88

To me his attitude seems to be to look at the situation in the general election logically mythology Feb 2016 #106

"You" are not being threatened. Maedhros Feb 2016 #132

I never tell anyone to give up. lovemydog Feb 2016 #140

I think the "everyone is corrupt/ establishment except for Bernie" thing is stifling the vote. bettyellen Feb 2016 #18

What drum do you think Trump is going to beat? Skwmom Feb 2016 #25

He is beating the "we're all going to make money" drum pretty loudly, and it's working. bettyellen Feb 2016 #27

"everyone is corrupt/ establishment except for Bernie" AlbertCat Feb 2016 #53

Oh please, casting shade on Planned Parenthood, the CBC, and most every other person who has bettyellen Feb 2016 #57

and dismissing them all was stupid. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #64

Sanders did dismiss PP after they endorsed Clinton. Foolish to have sour grapes like that. bettyellen Feb 2016 #98

Bernie's observations are not unique. They are just resonating with.... Armstead Feb 2016 #108

I think a lot of people miss the nuances, and have fallen for the "all the same" crap... bettyellen Feb 2016 #118

We've had a "frame" for three decades that ignores core problems Armstead Feb 2016 #119

I agree with you there. Im still trying to figure out what Trump is playing at. Best I can think of bettyellen Feb 2016 #125

I think it's simply the ultimate fulfillment of his ego. Armstead Feb 2016 #126

I had resisted listening to anything but sound bites, and after seeing him last night.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #135

A familiar dance: 1) shit on young voters, 2) shit on their dreams, 3) bitch about their low turnout Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #19

This is how young people see it: TheLogicalSong Feb 2016 #22

That farleftlib Feb 2016 #24

lol panader0 Feb 2016 #26

Priceless! haikugal Feb 2016 #39

+1,000,000 TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #43

"We'll show those whipper-snappers who to vote for!" FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #49

New screen saver!!! PassingFair Feb 2016 #68

That should get some kind of prize. I mean it. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #104

Priceless Armstead Feb 2016 #124

Priceless! jillan Feb 2016 #145

Right Click: Set as Desktop Background Yuugal Feb 2016 #146

I hear you, but... MaggieD Feb 2016 #23

Maggie if we all did what Bernie said and were to pressure those that are supposed bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #31

But republicans in gerrymandered districts do not agree MaggieD Feb 2016 #37

Not asking for utopia. Duval Feb 2016 #82

All Dems agree with increasing taxes on corporations MaggieD Feb 2016 #96

There are many things pivotal leaders promised but couldn't deliver on Kittycat Feb 2016 #34

Ask kids today what they think of Obama MaggieD Feb 2016 #38

Ask me what I think today Kittycat Feb 2016 #42

I like Obama a lot MaggieD Feb 2016 #44

"This is the day we stopped the rise of the oceans" PeterGM Feb 2016 #47

a bunch of stuff he can never deliver. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #56

Well so far the turnout has been less than Obama's MaggieD Feb 2016 #69

So apparently the revolution isn't that compelling. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #71

She will win MaggieD Feb 2016 #74

+1 treestar Feb 2016 #62

I think it is quite possible to encourage realism without discouraging hope Armstead Feb 2016 #110

Did you ask them what other candidates and issues they were supporting? LisaM Feb 2016 #143

That's exactly what they want. For all of us to give up and stop being enthusiastic. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #28

Local politics. lovemydog Feb 2016 #29

I have not given up and I did not do anything to cause the corruption, bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #30

Better than McGovern redux. But I basically agree with you. Growing up is not easy. Hoyt Feb 2016 #32

Well I feel like half a grown up and half still a punk kid Armstead Feb 2016 #121

nobody is stifling anything. JI7 Feb 2016 #33

I don't know if you saw this post but it's a good one and on topic. haikugal Feb 2016 #36

Thank you, haikugal. I'm sorry I missed that one. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #75

Hey guy!! haikugal Feb 2016 #81

Hi Enthusiast Feb 2016 #148

Yeah, what a compassionate conservative Christian..... haikugal Feb 2016 #155

Jaded now in a political revolution will turn around and bite you dr60omg Feb 2016 #41

It's Clinton's only path to victory. PeterGM Feb 2016 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2016 #100

Whereas I hate seeing people being given false hopes. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #48

perfect case in point of stifling those who have ideals and principles. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #52

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #79

We've been "holding our ground since the 80's" and look what it has gotten us Armstead Feb 2016 #117

On campus today I saw more kids come over marlakay Feb 2016 #50

How is it being stifled? treestar Feb 2016 #51

Maybe We Can Give them all a Yellow Participation Ribbon Stallion Feb 2016 #55

Express and be told "No we can't" and... Armstead Feb 2016 #115

They don't have to listen to it treestar Feb 2016 #156

I can't stifle anyone. If I could I'd tell Trump to shut up and play golf. Armstead Feb 2016 #158

your description is unfair treestar Feb 2016 #159

If Reagan and the GOP could set off a Revolution why can't the Democrats? Armstead Feb 2016 #162

I'm Gen x. fuck that shit PatrynXX Feb 2016 #59

I'm an older guy probably like you . . . Gamecock Lefty Feb 2016 #63

I am not trying to be disrespectful but your definition of neoliberalism is incorrect dr60omg Feb 2016 #78

The Shock Doctrine is one of the most important books I've read mountain grammy Feb 2016 #87

Yes I know and now people can read the book for free and watch the movie for free dr60omg Feb 2016 #109

I'm a Gen X-er for Hillary. fun n serious Feb 2016 #84

Noboidy is trying to stifle. "Squash 'em like a bug." Armstead Feb 2016 #114

Take heart Rebkeh Feb 2016 #65

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #66

I'm in my late 60s so way back in the 60s it was actually much worse lunatica Feb 2016 #70

I agree with you so much... SoapBox Feb 2016 #92

Young Progressives Blew the 1968 Election Stallion Feb 2016 #93

1968 -- 2016 ....How many years and how many changes between them? Armstead Feb 2016 #111

Oh Democrats Who Were Perceived as Too Liberal Have Blown A Bunch More Stallion Feb 2016 #133

You don't think Clinton and Obama were perceived as liberal? Armstead Feb 2016 #134

Definitely Not Clinton Stallion Feb 2016 #138

His image was as a liberal change from the Reagan/Bush years Armstead Feb 2016 #139

Clinton Was a 5 Term Southern Governor and President of the DLC Stallion Feb 2016 #144

I don't want to see it stifled either. Which is why I am not fond of candidates pushing for things Lucinda Feb 2016 #94

We all are going to die which makes life meaningless. Nihilism is objective truth. Armstead Feb 2016 #112

Sanders wants a revolution. Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #116

What is he doing to help elect other Dems to office? The ones he will need to make changes? Lucinda Feb 2016 #120

He is going to get a fuckload of really liberal progressive youth out to vote for one. Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #122

He hasn't yet. When is that massive turnout going to start? n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #128

Kind of a double edged sword Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #131

It will certainly be interesting to see the breakdowns over the next week. Lucinda Feb 2016 #142

Why don;t you listen to what he says? Armstead Feb 2016 #123

If he isnt even trying to help people get elected, how do you think they will work for him Lucinda Feb 2016 #127

Is Clinton getting record turnout? And Sanders got many more votes than Trump in NH Armstead Feb 2016 #129

Clinton will do fine in the GE. Thats when Dems turnout. About twice as many DEMS voted in the 08 Lucinda Feb 2016 #130

It's also important for young voters to learn that we live in a representative democracy. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #95

Yeah that'll encourage young citizens to get involved. Armstead Feb 2016 #101

They are aware: surprise! dr60omg Feb 2016 #113

What's really strange is they don't know that already treestar Feb 2016 #157

Again, Bernie is not saying he has a magic wand. Just the opposite Armstead Feb 2016 #164

I don't think his followers are getting it treestar Feb 2016 #165

That's the case with all candidates and many voters Armstead Feb 2016 #166

"Hindsight is pain, and it smarts." Jezza Feb 2016 #107

I think the mistake that many current Democrats make is to assume that there is some inherent value Maedhros Feb 2016 #136

I think you're right...My loyalty is primarily residual for what it used to stand for Armstead Feb 2016 #137

Bingo. Kentonio Feb 2016 #150

Exactly. Down here in Florida - being admonished to support the "D" no matter what, djean111 Feb 2016 #151

They may rescue us! loyalsister Feb 2016 #149

So many of these young people expect the *they* will get free college. That's why they support SBS lunamagica Feb 2016 #152

And the only way to encourage young people is to let them have their own way? brooklynite Feb 2016 #154

No. Listen. Open things up. Stop telling people "No we can't." Armstead Feb 2016 #161

Those darn Republicans stifling our enthusiasm for Bernie. Oh wait...nt MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #163