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Warren Stupidity

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Sat Sep 3, 2016, 06:27 PM Sep 2016

Is It Possible to Measure Supernatural or Paranormal Phenomena? [View all]

Where the known meets the unknown we are tempted to inject paranormal and supernatural forces to explain unsolved mysteries. We must resist the temptation because such efforts can never succeed


The history of science has beheld the steady replacement of the paranormal and the supernatural with the normal and the natural. Weather events once attributed to the supernatural scheming of deities are now understood to be the product of natural forces of temperature and pressure. Plagues formerly ascribed to women cavorting with the devil are currently known to be caused by bacteria and viruses. Mental illnesses previously imputed to demonic possession are today sought in genes and neurochemistry. Accidents heretofore explained by fate, karma or providence are nowadays accredited to probabilities, statistics and risk.

If we follow this trend to encompass all phenomena, what place is there for such paranormal forces as ESP or supernatural agents like God? Do we know enough to know that they cannot exist? Or is it possible there are unknown forces within our universe or intentional agents outside of it that we have yet to discover? According to California Institute of Technology physicist Sean Carroll in his intensely insightful book The Big Picture (Dutton, 2016), “All of the things you've ever seen or experienced in your life—objects, plants, animals, people—are made of a small number of particles, interacting with one another through a small number of forces.” Once you understand the fundamental laws of nature, you can scale up to planets and people and even assess the probability that God, the soul, the afterlife and ESP exist, which Carroll concludes is very low.

But isn't the history of science also strewn with the remains of failed theories such as phlogiston, miasma, spontaneous generation and the luminiferous aether? Yes, and that is how we know we are making progress. The postmodern belief that discarded ideas mean that there is no objective reality and that all theories are equal is more wrong than all the wrong theories combined. The reason has to do with the relation of the known to the unknown.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-it-possible-to-measure-supernatural-or-paranormal-phenomena/
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No. rug Sep 2016 #1
Why not? Lordquinton Sep 2016 #15
Because it doesn't exist. AtheistCrusader Sep 2016 #16
Well, yea. Lordquinton Sep 2016 #18
good article beergood Sep 2016 #2
It is, as is Sean Carroll's book, on which Shermer's essay is based. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #3
I did, warren. He answers the question by denying the premise. rug Sep 2016 #4
It still doesn't understand. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #10
And you remain as passive-aggressive as ever. rug Sep 2016 #11
QED Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #12
It's sad to see this silly stuff in Scientific American struggle4progress Sep 2016 #5
SciAm has been at the forefront of debunking this crap for many decades. longship Sep 2016 #6
Actually debunking scammers is an excellent activity struggle4progress Sep 2016 #7
We'll, let's start with his final paragraph. longship Sep 2016 #8
If you are going to assert that a supernatural force exists, a force that can act on particles Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #9
Coincidence? Cartoonist Sep 2016 #13
That is awesome. longship Sep 2016 #14
Of course not. trotsky Sep 2016 #17
If you could measure it, it'd be natural and normal. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2016 #19
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