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Brettongarcia

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11. Rug for once is seemingly relevant
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 03:40 AM
Aug 2014

The Vatican is trying to assert that the Vatican, the Pope, were not responsible for the actions of their priests. Their argument is that the Church is NOT a top-down organization; amazingly, they are now saying that the Vatican and Pope don't tell priests what to do, and do not manage them.

That argument of course is absurd and perverse, to the point of being laughable. The Church has for centuries, emphasized the authority and centrality of the Pope. As in fact, its central, main, core principle. As the very thing that distinguishes itself from say, Protestantism. The Pope, in other words, is an important authority in Catholicism. Obviously. For the Church to now repudiate the central authority of the Pope, is an obvious, laughable reversal of everything it ever stood for, and for its formerly "eternal" doctrines.

To be sure though, in more recent years the Church had been giving SOME greater authority to local, national organizations, and bishops. And on the basis of this, the Church is trying to say that the Pope was not responsible for child molesting priests. Because the Pope was not overseeing them, and had no authority over them.

And therefore? It is now argued that we cannot sue the Vatican. Or the Pope.

Of course, the Church's current argument is as hypocritical, false, and laughable as any argument we have heard in decades. The Church is now saying that the Catholic Churches don't and shouldn't try to follow the Pope.

Is the Pope head of the Church? (Or from the other way around: is the Pope Catholic?) No, says the Church today.

Now the Church is clearly in the realm of flip flopping, slapstick comedy.

Here we see the Church at its most hilarious (and tragic) hypocrisy and inconsistency.

The Bible warned that our highest holy men, even the "host of heaven" (Isa. 34.4, 51.6?) were horrible deceivers. But it told us that one "day" we are supposed to see that.

And now we are seeing it. We see priests molesting children; then we see the whitewashing cover-up. Starting from the very top.

Why is the head of a Vatican "finance" ministry so anxious about pederasty? Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #1
... trotsky Aug 2014 #2
Wow! edhopper Aug 2014 #3
Some people don't want to talk about the Pope I guess Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #4
Well I think there has been a bit of wagon circling going on. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #6
Are you promoting a self-fulfilling prophecy here? cbayer Aug 2014 #13
Well since I don't control responses edhopper Aug 2014 #15
You may or may not get a lot of response. But it is threads that cause the most contention cbayer Aug 2014 #18
uh huh edhopper Aug 2014 #20
OK, I'm sort of speechless about this. A serious WTF in tone deafness milestones has been reached. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #5
Because trucking companies exercise the kind of top-down theological control Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #7
Actually, that IS very funny! : ) Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #8
eat your heart out Dawkins Lordquinton Aug 2014 #9
What? I am assuming you mean Tom Lehrer, right? cbayer Aug 2014 #14
Because real life edhopper Aug 2014 #16
Respondeat superior. rug Aug 2014 #10
Rug for once is seemingly relevant Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #11
There's always a first time. mr blur Aug 2014 #23
Oh, goody! Now I can look forward to a long subthread full of meaningless snark. cbayer Aug 2014 #24
This Commission is going to tear them apart and they are only making cbayer Aug 2014 #12
What should be done edhopper Aug 2014 #17
I thik they should be treated like any other criminal. cbayer Aug 2014 #19
I probably used edhopper Aug 2014 #21
Who knows what goes on, but I am hopeful that the pope would look at this with a troubled eye. cbayer Aug 2014 #22
One would hope edhopper Aug 2014 #25
From what I have read, I don't think this comission has any intention to hold back cbayer Aug 2014 #26
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