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tblue37

(65,528 posts)
106. Your Christian deity, not mine. (Just a friendly modification of your modifier there.)
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:03 AM
May 2014

Last edited Mon May 5, 2014, 08:19 PM - Edit history (1)

But while I certainly agree with your point, my comment was intended to refute the OP's suggestion that worship rests on the mysteriousness of the supernatural power being worshipped. Actually, even as a quasi-material deity, the Judaeo-Christian God* does maintain a notable degree of mystery, since He and His nature are supposedly ineffable, far beyond the capacity of merely mortal minds to even begin to comprehend. Christianity is a mystery religion, after all, but even those who have been initiated into the mystery believe that there is a core of incomprehensibility in the essence of their God.

Of course, some modern believers, those who consider God a close personal friend and confidant, have actually transformed Him into a different kind of god, one without much mystery left at all (if any!).
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*NOTE: Although I am not a believer myself, current conventions for Standard Written English mandate that the term "God" be capitalized when it refers to the Christian deity, and also that pronouns referring to "Him" be capped.

Well, setting aside that that's impossible... gcomeau May 2014 #1
It wouldn't make a difference to scientists, but what about religious people? DetlefK May 2014 #4
They would either face reality or they wouldn't... gcomeau May 2014 #6
Why do you assume it is impossible? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #8
Simple gcomeau May 2014 #30
That's fine, but that borders on existentialism. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #33
Which is why entertaining the idea... gcomeau May 2014 #37
God is often portrayed as a special pleading exception to the universe. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #39
Yeah, God is basically a giant walking talking logical fallacy... -eom gcomeau May 2014 #40
In some religions Lordquinton May 2014 #84
Phallus. cbayer May 2014 #85
Strangely it wasn't in the spell-check Lordquinton May 2014 #93
Being spellcheck dependent, I completely understand. cbayer May 2014 #94
This question makes no sence upaloopa May 2014 #2
Whoa! A real-life fortune-teller!!! DetlefK May 2014 #5
some believe that god is exactly that which exists but can never be proven. unblock May 2014 #15
Is it beyond the power of an omnipotent being to be known, and still a god? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #18
so got can't place a limition on himself? unblock May 2014 #21
Actually AtheistCrusader May 2014 #24
this definition of god is meaningless. unblock May 2014 #29
Well, it is said that god's nature is difficult for us to grasp. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #38
like i said, a meaningless answer. not beyond our grasp. meaningless. unblock May 2014 #41
We may view omnipotence differently. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #42
No fortune telling is required... gcomeau May 2014 #32
Right. An omnipotent being would arrive on earth - and be found boring and ordinary? Brettongarcia May 2014 #62
I have no idea... gcomeau May 2014 #63
"I recently stumbled on an interesting thesis:That we only worship God, because he's removed from us Brettongarcia May 2014 #64
I repeat... gcomeau May 2014 #68
Maybe not prove one; but how about DIS-proving a god? Brettongarcia May 2014 #73
Nope gcomeau May 2014 #95
That holds for the MODERN notion of a supernatural all powerful God. Brettongarcia May 2014 #101
That holds for any supernatural entity. All powerful or otherwise. gcomeau May 2014 #103
You make a good argument against Omnipotent gods Brettongarcia May 2014 #104
Not a fan of that one... gcomeau May 2014 #107
It might be more than semantics: "can God do something logically contradictory" is the question Brettongarcia May 2014 #108
And of course the answer *must be* no. gcomeau May 2014 #109
God CAN do anything; but DOES he? We don't see a miraculous overruling of rules much in daily life. Brettongarcia May 2014 #110
Your response makes no sense for a vast number of hypothetical faiths. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #10
You live in your paradigm and I'll live in mine upaloopa May 2014 #13
It's a simple question. I'd like an answer, if you could. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #14
First any god in my head would be a god of my making upaloopa May 2014 #22
Look what happened to his kid. gordianot May 2014 #3
I think those two excuses ring hollow, at least for some believers. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #7
In some novels based on the original _Star Trek_ series, tblue37 May 2014 #113
Well, assuming it was possible... Prophet 451 May 2014 #9
This seems a common belief. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #12
OK Prophet 451 May 2014 #17
Ok, we agree. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #19
But in much of the Bible, God mostly wants to make himself known Brettongarcia May 2014 #67
So he's a liar Prophet 451 May 2014 #69
And that would at least seem to DISprove him; disprove the "good" God Brettongarcia May 2014 #75
I would suggest so Prophet 451 May 2014 #77
The problem with your list of questions is that you assume that cbayer May 2014 #11
We'd have someone to blame for all the crap in the world (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #16
Which god? Scuba May 2014 #20
Now, that's a very good question. cbayer May 2014 #23
right off the bat, most of the world's religions would unravel... mike_c May 2014 #25
That's a possible result, unless cbayer May 2014 #27
A marvelous series of urban fantasy novels by Lyn Benedict tblue37 May 2014 #114
I had to take a class on the nature and attributes of God. Cleita May 2014 #26
How can it be possibe for an omnipotent being to be incapable of making itself comprehensible to us? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #28
Maybe this is where the myth comes from looking at the face of God. Cleita May 2014 #34
I have definitely heard that doctrine before as well. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #35
Pond scum...no not you, but real pond scum. Cleita May 2014 #49
Well said. cbayer May 2014 #50
Kevin Smith explores that in Dogma Goblinmonger May 2014 #31
Which is hilarious. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #36
Kill it with fire. Iggo May 2014 #43
Lol! Well, you are consistently amusing. I will give you that. cbayer May 2014 #44
I've got a new theory about "god" and it's time I start talking about it. The_Commonist May 2014 #45
There is a novel about this concept: DetlefK May 2014 #46
Fascinating... The_Commonist May 2014 #47
turtles. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #57
Yep, turtles! The_Commonist May 2014 #61
If it were proven without doubt, we'd have no free will. rug May 2014 #48
No free will with proof of a god? Huh? phil89 May 2014 #51
Right, with proof beyond doubt. rug May 2014 #52
How would proof of a god rob us of free will? phil89 May 2014 #53
Because the proof would have to come from the god. rug May 2014 #54
Oh ok I thought you were saying free will in general phil89 May 2014 #55
I don't think a proof of God is impossible goldent May 2014 #56
Assuming you are talking about YHWH, kill him with iron. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #58
You first. I'll just stand way back here. cbayer May 2014 #65
Also wearing iron makes him powerless over you. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #70
Do you have to cover yourself entirely in iron or just have a pendant or something? cbayer May 2014 #71
Not sure from the translation here: Humanist_Activist May 2014 #72
Well, if they were filled with iron, perhaps they were just too heavy to move. cbayer May 2014 #74
Could be the fact that their had chariots at all, they were a very effective weapon of war... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #78
Interesting story. I was most fortunate to recently visit some Mayan ruins cbayer May 2014 #83
I would say the most likely explanation for that is the lack of suitable draft animals... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #86
That's a very good point, but even using human to pull larger loads cbayer May 2014 #87
Yeah, possible cultural explanations for practical limitations... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #88
Hittites never conquered Egypt they did stop their expansion in the Levant. Leontius May 2014 #98
Bloody hell you are right. Thats what I get for going by... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #99
I think it's just a reference to superior technology... mike_c May 2014 #79
Like I said, a lot of cultures attributed magical or supernatural properties to iron... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #80
We are humans... uriel1972 May 2014 #59
Indeed. Crimes against humanity. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #60
You people need to start an army. cbayer May 2014 #66
Not a good suggestion; given the place of armies Brettongarcia May 2014 #76
I'm not sure they are going to be able to slay god alone, cbayer May 2014 #82
probably not... uriel1972 May 2014 #100
Antonio Porchia: Would there be this eternal seeking if the found existed? nt Snotcicles May 2014 #81
Only his absolutely unimpeachable presence Trajan May 2014 #89
If it ever happens, I would encourage you to wear this shirt: cbayer May 2014 #92
The religionists on DU will debate to the death Trajan May 2014 #96
You guys? I'm guessing by religionists you are referring to those on cbayer May 2014 #97
Dad said, "Don't make me come down there!" But we kept tblue37 May 2014 #112
The doctirne of faith, that one is saved only by faith, would requrie a whole new church if God's Agnosticsherbet May 2014 #90
You have to ask yourself "What sort of God is proven?" intaglio May 2014 #91
God's supposed transcendence of the physical universe is specific to certain religions. tblue37 May 2014 #102
Christianity seems to present a partially-transcendent but also partially embodied/material god Brettongarcia May 2014 #105
Your Christian deity, not mine. (Just a friendly modification of your modifier there.) tblue37 May 2014 #106
See my post # 110, above Brettongarcia May 2014 #111
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