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"White People are Not as Important as Bernie Sanders Thinks" [View all] pnwmom May 2016 OP

Look at his platform and see if you think his policies will make life better for you and your family boobooday May 2016 #1

Why do you assume I haven't read BOTH platforms? pnwmom May 2016 #3

Because it sounds like you are basing your decision boobooday May 2016 #5

You assume that anyone who reads Bernie's platform will be struck with how superior it is. pnwmom May 2016 #8

No, I just wondered because your post was all about boobooday May 2016 #10

It isn't a SELLING point for many of us that Bernie appeals to angry white men. pnwmom May 2016 #12

Nailed it again.. thank you, pnwmom~ Cha May 2016 #219

+1 Nailed it. fleabiscuit May 2016 #41

what don't you like about Bernie's platform ? Pharaoh May 2016 #56

Hillary supporters strongly believe it shouldn't just be about economic equality pnwmom May 2016 #64

Speaking personally, I'm wary about "breaking up the banks" as an end in itself Recursion May 2016 #122

His interview with the NY Daily showed how little thought he'd given to that subject. pnwmom May 2016 #152

Yeah, the Ex-Im pandering has been nauseating Recursion May 2016 #153

A blow for logic PATRICK May 2016 #142

This is really what drives me crazy, I think, if I had to pick one thing Recursion May 2016 #147

Ok so what part of his platform sucks? nt Lucky Luciano May 2016 #6

I think his platform is raw pie in the sky that doesn't have a chance of being pnwmom May 2016 #9

I think nobody really expects congress to work with Hillary or Bernie. Lucky Luciano May 2016 #19

If you think wallyworld2 May 2016 #43

It's so monotone eom MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #18

Have Read it all Cryptoad May 2016 #26

Who lost to Hillary? Lordquinton May 2016 #35

How many Bernies are running? rock May 2016 #90

Didn't realise what group I was in Lordquinton May 2016 #124

Mahalo rock for the "How many Bernies are running".. Cha May 2016 #220

LOL! rock May 2016 #231

I'm disabled from 2 separate causes greiner3 May 2016 #50

If you are on SSDI and disabled you are either on Medicare or will be after two years of Thinkingabout May 2016 #55

My Point? People living in poverty should not Cryptoad May 2016 #140

Please show me source that backs up this claim Perogie May 2016 #58

I believe the BS plan has been referred to as... fleabiscuit May 2016 #86

Its all on his web site unless Cryptoad May 2016 #141

Woohoo! Brilliant reasoning. brush May 2016 #2

white rage? Triloon May 2016 #4

This is the African American group gollygee May 2016 #11

It is all they have, the race card. Personally I think Bernie is ten times better for all Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #21

I understand incrementalism but... That Guy 888 May 2016 #27

12$ has wide support in congress - 15$ does not. Pulling a number out of your but or bluffing like bettyellen May 2016 #212

Incrementalism Sejon May 2016 #52

thank you Triloon May 2016 #32

"Racist self indulgence"? pnwmom May 2016 #68

Amazing, isnt it. Wow Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #82

There is nothing "racist" about minority voters trying to figure out why some think that the angry Number23 May 2016 #71

No, I dont think thats racist and Triloon May 2016 #107

"Angry hoards" is off base hyperbole. KPN May 2016 #135

"Angry hoards" isn't English. Angry hordes, which is what I wrote, is exactly what alot of people Number23 May 2016 #137

Haha. You are right! And I thought I was a pretty good speller! KPN May 2016 #176

I don't speak for anyone else, but I'll say lovemydog May 2016 #194

Mmmm ... but doesn't it really go both ways to a degree? KPN May 2016 #234

Yes, it definitely goes both ways. lovemydog May 2016 #242

There is nothing racist or self indulgent in the OP. gollygee May 2016 #105

"We want it back." For some value of "it". Recursion May 2016 #7

+1. nt pnwmom May 2016 #13

right here before our eyes even rbrnmw May 2016 #217

And here Recursion May 2016 #239

reminds me of Dorothy Parker Mary Mac May 2016 #14

The sad thing is that to appeal to people of color and women, a candidate will HAVE to alienate Squinch May 2016 #15

Exactly. Over the last 40 years, for the first time in the history of this country, white men Number23 May 2016 #23

I don't see where Sanders explicitly or even "dog-whistled" that he only wanted white voters. That Guy 888 May 2016 #33

Praising the economics of the 1950s and 1960s and New Deal is a pretty clear example Recursion May 2016 #36

What happened before the New Deal? What made the New Deal New? That Guy 888 May 2016 #37

It was a step that locked minorities out of the middle class Recursion May 2016 #38

It was partly what FDR thought he could get, and partly he wasn't as good a Dem as his wife. That Guy 888 May 2016 #45

Sure thing. I made some charts a while ago Recursion May 2016 #48

That doesn't help what you posted. That Guy 888 May 2016 #53

I don't understand your question Recursion May 2016 #57

Exactly: Squinch May 2016 #106

The men/women question is interesting and more difficult Recursion May 2016 #143

Please do. That would be interesting. Squinch May 2016 #192

OK, here's what I found Recursion May 2016 #215

And woohoo. Women are now almost where men were in 1950. Which is sad. And we're losing ground. Squinch May 2016 #237

It's an interesting demonstration of how actual income matters less than how fast it's changing Recursion May 2016 #240

Wow. Thanks for putting this all together, Recursion. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #116

Good stuff here... Digital Puppy May 2016 #189

... BumRushDaShow May 2016 #62

I will never, EVER understand why this simple point eludes so many here Number23 May 2016 #76

+infinity BumRushDaShow May 2016 #79

+1 lovemydog May 2016 #125

What you imagine is true -- and that's the problem. FDR's programs lifted white boats much higher pnwmom May 2016 #115

And the assumption is that Sanders seeks to be so discriminatory? Scootaloo May 2016 #132

It's mostly that it's always been what happened before Recursion May 2016 #139

So it's the accuser's own bias and assumptions. Scootaloo May 2016 #144

In shocking news, people's experience often informs their future behavior Recursion May 2016 #146

There is much experience with Sanders doing this? Scootaloo May 2016 #148

Some of it's even posted in this thread. Recursion May 2016 #149

One link, actually. Posting it twice doesn't make it multiple examples. Scootaloo May 2016 #150

Well, browse the group more and it may make more sense Recursion May 2016 #151

Well, I've been through it, for over a year now. Scootaloo May 2016 #155

No one has said anything remotely like: "Bernie is pro-lynching." pnwmom May 2016 #158

No, I'm not Scootaloo May 2016 #164

No, they aren't. Recognizing that a rising tide does not lift all boats is NOT anti-semitic. pnwmom May 2016 #179

Of course, that's not what I said, either. Scootaloo May 2016 #184

I've never said he is a schemer, deceitful, craven, greedy or that he's plotting and conspiring. pnwmom May 2016 #206

Per JAG's request, i'm stepping out of this thread Scootaloo May 2016 #238

actually, it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz and now Barbara Boxer and Barney Frank who are all Jewish JI7 May 2016 #216

Please step away from the thread JustAnotherGen May 2016 #186

If you insist. Scootaloo May 2016 #187

Thanks, JAG. I've had enough of the ever so casually incessant "anti Semitism" claims too Number23 May 2016 #199

Was trying to warn him also JustAnotherGen May 2016 #201

Bravenak would have likely been hidden by that person for anti-Semitism, real or not Number23 May 2016 #202

True - so true JustAnotherGen May 2016 #221

Thanks JAG. pnwmom May 2016 #205

Mahalo, Gen~ You and the other hosts in your AA Group are so Cha May 2016 #222

Yes, you're describing how people react to politicians Recursion May 2016 #161

Of course there was a magnificent interference campaign Scootaloo May 2016 #166

Your words: "1StrongBlackMan openly engages in racism to try to defame and belittle betsuni May 2016 #167

Actually it's quite based Scootaloo May 2016 #183

... betsuni May 2016 #165

Of course. Scootaloo May 2016 #180

I don't know what's worse. Your baseless charges of anti-Semitism that you keep thinking you are Number23 May 2016 #198

As you know.. those are their go-to blanket memes for anyone who doesn't like burnie.. Cha May 2016 #223

You are not getting the argument. No one is saying anything about lynching. Squinch May 2016 #193

+1. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #208

If you can't understand why many black people are not supporting Sanders this late in the game Number23 May 2016 #197

All have is a bunch of hot air on Sanders part. And his past in Vermont indicates pnwmom May 2016 #156

His past, as cited by three people, and contradicted by three other people in the same article? Scootaloo May 2016 #162

things like focusing on college for everyone- when our HSs are so messed up- bettyellen May 2016 #213

You are, of course, right passiveporcupine May 2016 #46

I'm not sure there can be an economic message that's "not about race" in this country (nt) Recursion May 2016 #51

I don't see how it can be "just" about race passiveporcupine May 2016 #54

Well, OK, but take the whole wage stagnation narrative Recursion May 2016 #59

I'm not saying he did dog whistle that he only wanted white voters, and I don't actually think Squinch May 2016 #102

He claimed that he didn't campaign in the south (though he did) and then that it didn't matter pnwmom May 2016 #114

racism in his supporters messages DLCWIdem May 2016 #157

Thankfully that crap did not go unnoticed & down the rabblit hole.. one does wonder Cha May 2016 #224

Spam deleted by MIR Team Sejon May 2016 #111

Tapping into the boiling nihilism of would be Trump supporters? KPN May 2016 #16

Hillary lived in D.C. and in New York but still found the time to stay connected pnwmom May 2016 #20

Yes, she stayed in touch, will stay in touch. She is also smart enough to not rely Thinkingabout May 2016 #60

Well, you kind of missed my point. I'm not saying that you should favor Bernie over Hillary. KPN May 2016 #133

In many small and yet significant ways, Hillary has stayed connected ever since she moved pnwmom May 2016 #160

Bernie has done a lot more than "participate in a few marches." KPN May 2016 #175

I think Bernie needed to do a lot more LISTENING and a lot less lecturing. pnwmom May 2016 #178

Who is we? I'm 65. KPN May 2016 #188

And yet voters over 50, as a group, are much more like to support Hillary pnwmom May 2016 #190

Can't argue with that. KPN May 2016 #233

Thank you, KPN. pnwmom May 2016 #235

Yup. You are right! And thank you! KPN May 2016 #236

I have read up on her campaigning a little DLCWIdem May 2016 #163

+1 Martin Eden May 2016 #25

BS is an establishment politician. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #65

Thanks, KPN. Duval May 2016 #34

"brown"? I presume they mean Mesoamerican, and they're going for Sanders MisterP May 2016 #17

I guess they mean the Latino vote. Most has gone to Hillary lunamagica May 2016 #29

White people haven't been won by a winning Dem in several election cycles. Starry Messenger May 2016 #22

Sanders' campaign will be taught in books on how NOT to appeal to minorities/the Dem base Number23 May 2016 #24

Oh hell yeah. Starry Messenger May 2016 #28

You can lead a horse to water passiveporcupine May 2016 #47

Funny, I see entitled people screaming that their guy should win over the millions of votes of Number23 May 2016 #67

You are not seeing the millions of voters I'm seeing passiveporcupine May 2016 #69

I am seeing the millions of minority voters who are standing up and VERY CLEARLY saying what we Number23 May 2016 #74

You have no idea what I'm seeing passiveporcupine May 2016 #81

You are screaming and LOSING. TERRIBLY. Number23 May 2016 #87

Bernie is addressing minority concerns -- NOW he is. But when he entered into the campaign, pnwmom May 2016 #118

Spam deleted by MIR Team Sejon May 2016 #110

+1000 nt brer cat May 2016 #78

Absolutely. lovemydog May 2016 #195

And what's so bad about it, it's bad enough when his manic supporters say this kind of crap Number23 May 2016 #200

Yeah, I remember. lovemydog May 2016 #204

Oh, and remember when Hillary won Georgia or one of the Southern states.. and then Cha May 2016 #226

Thank you so much for this, 23.. Cha May 2016 #225

I gave up on white people in politics after 2004. wildeyed May 2016 #96

I'm totally right there with you. Starry Messenger May 2016 #100

I read something where many white union guys have to be wildeyed May 2016 #104

Demographically, things haven't changed that much Sejon May 2016 #103

But it might be enough. wildeyed May 2016 #108

Which is why the "I want the Democratic party back!" shouts disturb me Recursion May 2016 #123

They shout that they want their party back wildeyed May 2016 #171

Wish I had a way to disagree with that Recursion May 2016 #172

The Democratic Party is the big tent party...and sanders dismisses beachbumbob May 2016 #30

Sorry, but if you really believe what you jsut wrote passiveporcupine May 2016 #49

If Hillary wins, you'll get what you voted for. Duval May 2016 #31

The most intelligent response to the spew from self-appointed guardians to the status quo. Thanks. erronis May 2016 #42

A lot of people are going to be thrown under the bus Sejon May 2016 #84

What else explains Sanders' wins? Look at the states he's won? Look at the polls? Look at who is Number23 May 2016 #93

Sanders reminds me more and more of Jim Webb. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #39

When did Bernie say his message "resonates freedom fighter jh May 2016 #40

He wants more than that, because just getting the delegates from those states will NOT pnwmom May 2016 #72

I heard him say he's asking superdelegates from states where he won a majority to vote for him. freedom fighter jh May 2016 #145

It IS over with regard to pledged delegates. There are too few pledged delegates left to pnwmom May 2016 #154

Disconnect freedom fighter jh May 2016 #170

It would not matter what anyone said to you about bernie passiveporcupine May 2016 #44

Absolutely elljay May 2016 #66

You need to step away from this thread. If all you can muster up in response to this OP is Number23 May 2016 #80

Sorry, I've watched this OPfor a long time and every message is the same. passiveporcupine May 2016 #85

The OP posted an article from the perspective of a minority voter. This is a WIDELY held view which Number23 May 2016 #88

Hallelujah! Cha May 2016 #227

I don't hate Bernie. I would have voted for him if he were the nominee, but I don't see that pnwmom May 2016 #121

Bernie's ignorance of the popularity of President Barack Obama has been his downfall thelordofhell May 2016 #61

+1. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #73

This is the impression my friends have of Bernie as well gwheezie May 2016 #94

it doesn't help that so many Sanders supporters hate Obama JI7 May 2016 #98

+1. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #119

Oh lordy... Mahalo for bringing that up, tloh! that was certainly one of his most Cha May 2016 #228

Huh? libodem May 2016 #63

"Bernie has been in the center of the Civil Rights Movement from the get go." BumRushDaShow May 2016 #77

+10 Duppers May 2016 #95

Bernie isn't even the "center of the Civil Rights Movement" in Vermont. pnwmom May 2016 #112

It's "Let's Play the Race Card for Clinton" time again. sulphurdunn May 2016 #70

A hearty, intelligent contribution. Can you spare us any further ones? Number23 May 2016 #83

Sure. How about a nugget of wisdom? sulphurdunn May 2016 #89

You sound like an expert on both! Number23 May 2016 #91

I'm happy you can relate. sulphurdunn May 2016 #99

It took you half an hour plus to come up with that? Number23 May 2016 #101

LOL.. you otoh have been a genuine Cha May 2016 #229

The argument that Super Delegates (or anyone) should vote based upon lexington filly May 2016 #75

What a great post. Thanks for that. Number23 May 2016 #92

Ride that pony home! wildeyed May 2016 #97

Of course, that's what this election needs Sejon May 2016 #109

The division is there: look at the exit polls. Why do you think people shouldn't discuss it? nt pnwmom May 2016 #113

If you'd seen some of the posts of his that have been deleted gollygee May 2016 #117

I seem to have opened pnwmom May 2016 #120

I guess an article about angry white people makes angry white people angrier. betsuni May 2016 #126

Ain't that the fucking truth. Number23 May 2016 #127

I know! It is so messed up! +1 northernsouthern May 2016 #129

That was a whole bunch of nothing in your post Number23 May 2016 #130

Guaranteed. Cha May 2016 #230

This posted article is a bit racist. northernsouthern May 2016 #128

What does any of the foolishness of your post have to do with this OP? Number23 May 2016 #131

I have the same questions. lovemydog May 2016 #134

Two posts from him in this thread, both a whole bunch of nothing. Been here a month and SEVEN hides Number23 May 2016 #136

Wow lovemydog May 2016 #138

When I see a long post wildeyed May 2016 #169

LOL lovemydog May 2016 #182

I remember another poutrage wildeyed May 2016 #210

For everyone's consideration Beowulf May 2016 #159

They left when LBJ passed Voting Rights. wildeyed May 2016 #168

RFK's campaign was 1968, after the Voting Rights Act Beowulf May 2016 #173

Good questions. lovemydog May 2016 #185

"people who have lapsed into ignorant hysteria and actively discourage others from voting " PREACH! bettyellen May 2016 #214

Probably had more to do with his brother's death wildeyed May 2016 #203

Mostly because I think he show how certain problems cut across racial lines, Beowulf May 2016 #207

Not all working class whites are racist. wildeyed May 2016 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #177

Wild-eyed, I've often asked myself these same questions. lovemydog May 2016 #243

Thank you Recursion May 2016 #174

You're welcome, Recursion. And thank you for your participation! n/t pnwmom May 2016 #191

Yes, thank you. lovemydog May 2016 #196

To be fair, 40-45% of white voters pretty consistently vote Dem in presidential elections YoungDemCA May 2016 #181

Yup. This has been a thing since the beginning- the idea that their vote is crucial. bettyellen May 2016 #211

"In what UNIVERSE am I supporting the guy who is being buoyed by “white rage” over the person who Cha May 2016 #218

Mahalo, Cha! n/t pnwmom May 2016 #232

It is good. No wonder they are trying to pretend the rage is nothing to see here. bettyellen May 2016 #241

Yeah, very good. lovemydog May 2016 #244

lovemydog, thank you, but the brilliant writing wasn't mine. It was Elie Mystal's. pnwmom May 2016 #245

Elie Mystal lovemydog May 2016 #246