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In reply to the discussion: If a CCW applicant has to take classes and pass tests... [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)49. some clarifications
I'd say the Fire Department, because from my observation, you guys are falling short on all the rest by a long way.
You have a very jaded view of what "public safety" is. And that is not surprising when you live in a country where the police are a paramilitary organization, armed to the teeth, shooting citizens with impunity.
Actually, our police are becoming more Europeanized, since they had the armored vehicles, water cannons, machine guns to riots, etc. way before ours did. As for "shooting citizens with impunity", there are rare cases but more often than not, it turns out to be irresponsible media and less than ethical "journalists" and bloggers.
You have a very jaded view of what "public safety" is. And that is not surprising when you live in a country where the police are a paramilitary organization, armed to the teeth, shooting citizens with impunity.
Public safety and public health is about first responders, which is mainly taken care of by the FD in the US, and they do an incredible job. PD's and SD's also do a great job in many situations like S&R, as does the USCG.
Your public health system is in its infancy, thanks to Obama.
Actually, our public health system has always been on the county level, and has done quite well before Obama and I were born. I think it is underutilized and should be expanded.
Your public health system is in its infancy, thanks to Obama.
Community policing is a joke in terms of public health and safety. Public education, which is integral to both health and safety, is little better.
None of them are actually related. Which has to do with what? For public education, I think we need to get away from the Dewey model of turning out obedient factory workers. The biggest problem with community policing in the US is not the police or their equipment, it is the policy makers at city hall. See Chicago.
I never said that Europe's gun laws had to do with public safety. The mentality is different in Europe when it comes to guns. They are primarily for hunting. Otherwise they are tools of war and fortunately we are not currently at war. They are rarely, if ever, carried for so-called civilian self defense.
That is because Europe has never really embraced the basic tenent that each individual has natural rights by our very existence, instead of simply having privileges granted by the Crown, god's representatives. On some level, that mentality still exists. Carrying for self defense in Europe was probably quite common in the early 20th century, given the number of small pistols made and sold in Europe. FN started making the .25 acp "Baby Browning" in 1931, and didn't export to the US for another 20 years. That is before you get to the ones made by Walther, Beretta, Mauser, etc. I actually think it was more common than the US is today. I also think it is more common in Europe than you think today, there isn't any Bloomberg's pushing propaganda.
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I vote yes, and add that LEOs should have to pass constitutional literacy tests.
NYC_SKP
Aug 2014
#1
And do you think the legislators all know how to fly planes and how they work?
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#8
Maybe it's like the Manhattan Project and the decision to bomb Hiroshima
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#20
Antigun types tend to not know what they're talking about and/or embrace ignorance
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#18
See? There ya go being confrontational. Lacing your reply with commentary insulting to
flamin lib
Aug 2014
#25
Your post #25 has three problems: 1)I insulted no one- the groups mentioned are...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#62
No, they don't say no one should have guns. You are parroting the NRA which you
flamin lib
Aug 2014
#69
As long as those owners are pre-approved by TPTB, and use only 19th C. technology
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#71
The jibes of the politically ineffectual are more amusing than stinging
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#78
Will you also be willing to apply this system to other dangerous rights, or equipment?
oneshooter
Aug 2014
#89