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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:48 AM Jul 2014

How Military Guns Make the Civilian Market [View all]

This week, the U.S. Army will brief arms manufacturers on the design requirements for a new standard-issue handgun. Several gun makers will compete for the lucrative contract, developing weapons that are more reliable and more powerful than those currently in service. Officials say the upgrade is overdue—it’s been nearly 30 years since the Army adopted the Beretta M9. But the last time the military challenged the industry to make a better handgun, all the innovations intended for the battlefield also ended up in the consumer market, and the severity of civilian shootings soared.

Studying gunshot injuries in the D.C. area in the 1980s, Daniel Webster of Johns Hopkins University noticed an alarming trend—as time went on, more and more patients were arriving at the emergency room with multiple bullet wounds. In 1983, at the beginning of the study period, only about a quarter of gunshot patients had multiple injuries, but in the last two years of the study, that proportion had risen to 43 percent. Over the same period, semiautomatic pistols with a capacity of 15-rounds (or more) were replacing six-shot revolvers as the most popular firearms in the country. It’s not difficult to see the correlation—more bullets in the guns, more bullets in the victims. But why had guns changed so radically in such a short period of time?

In 1980 the Joint Services Small Arms Program invited the firearms industry to develop a new military handgun, with more than double the capacity of the sidearm American troops had been issued previously. At the time, soldiers were still using essentially the same handgun their grandfathers had carried into the trenches of World War I, a pistol John Browning had designed at the turn of the century. Its standard magazine held just seven rounds. The U.S. Army had a long wish list for a replacement, with 72 mandatory design requirements and 13 additional “desirable” features. According to Leroy Thompson, author of The Beretta M9 Pistol, “many of these mandatory requirements were very military-specific, which made it difficult for an off-the-shelf commercial pistol to fulfill them without alteration.”

In a series of trials, prototype guns were slathered with mud, soaked in salt water, subjected to hot and cold temperatures, dropped, and fired thousands of times. The Army tallied each misfire and scrutinized each mechanical failure, requesting various design tweaks along the way. Italian manufacturer Pietro Beretta entered the trials with a prototype based on their Model 92 semiautomatic pistol, which had been developed for Italian military and police forces. By 1985, Beretta had won the contract, and the Army placed a preliminary order for more than 300,000 of the new pistols, now designated M9. Initially the guns were manufactured in Italy, but to meet demand Beretta moved production to Maryland.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/how-military-guns-make-the-civilian-market/375123/
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Nearly every gun in the civilian market started as a military weapon hack89 Jul 2014 #1
Stun guns, water pistols, nail guns, glue guns, air guns, toy guns, bb guns? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #3
I am glad you are maintaining a sense of humor hack89 Jul 2014 #5
My life is a barrel of laughs. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #11
I know - mental healthcare in America is a disgrace hack89 Jul 2014 #12
Maybe the NRA and the gun industry could chip in a few $$ Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #17
So you're saying that nearly every gun in the civilian market was designed specifically for killing flamin lib Jul 2014 #4
What about it? hack89 Jul 2014 #6
I don't know you that well but flamin lib Jul 2014 #7
Oh good god!!!!! IronGate Jul 2014 #8
I believe, along with a number of NRA tactical instructors, that the majority flamin lib Jul 2014 #13
Sure there are a few Rambo types out there that want a CCW just for IronGate Jul 2014 #16
How do you back up that statement? flamin lib Jul 2014 #22
I've asked my colleagues the same thing because I've seen this claptrap before, IronGate Jul 2014 #25
So you asked the question and accept the answers without question? flamin lib Jul 2014 #27
Take it however you want, IronGate Jul 2014 #29
Is that a technical term? Not seen it in any of the publications I've read. flamin lib Jul 2014 #30
the only researchers who took on Kleck gejohnston Jul 2014 #32
Funny, I sent you a list pages long with publications which you claimed to have "read them all" flamin lib Jul 2014 #55
I did read them gejohnston Jul 2014 #57
So, you pick one and discard all? The only nit you can pick is funding? flamin lib Jul 2014 #58
criminologists are academians gejohnston Jul 2014 #59
Crimologists are no better academians than any others. flamin lib Jul 2014 #60
Actually I can be bothered with conflicting facts gejohnston Jul 2014 #61
Michelle Bachman! OK, made me laugh and that's worth something! flamin lib Jul 2014 #62
Hemenway is the most prolific gejohnston Jul 2014 #63
That's as ridiculous as saying anyone choosing to not carry WANTS to be a victim. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #43
how many of these instructors, whats the number? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #51
I didn't interview them any more than you've interviewed Bloomberg. flamin lib Jul 2014 #56
I don't think it's about wanting to kill Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #15
That is an apt description. IronGate Jul 2014 #18
Like the Cialis daily users they just want to be ready when the moment's right. nt flamin lib Jul 2014 #23
Bullshit! IronGate Jul 2014 #26
How is what you said different from the Cialis commercial? flamin lib Jul 2014 #33
Situational awareness: Good, even when unarmed. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #46
I guess a Cialis ad has more cred than Archies' Comix. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #49
Just as most hang gliders hope to land safely. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #24
U.S. Marines. IronGate Jul 2014 #28
Like I said, the key word is "most" Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #36
I haven't carried in public in years - I live in a safe area and don't need to. hack89 Jul 2014 #10
Women are about 3% of the gun market. Wonder why that is? nt flamin lib Jul 2014 #14
Gallup says 15% of women own guns hack89 Jul 2014 #19
Where did you pull that from? 1955? Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #47
You just don't get it do you? You don't even try to get it, it seems. Don't want to get it. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #21
Ah, leveraging ignorance to generate more fear. Semi-auto pistols go back 120+ years. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #2
I have one of those "Military Guns" in my home DonP Jul 2014 #9
I have it on good authority that NOBODY flamin lib Jul 2014 #20
bolt action rifles ceased to be promoted by manufacturers gejohnston Jul 2014 #31
I like my K-31 but ... DonP Jul 2014 #34
This is way off SOP but nobody is complaining. flamin lib Jul 2014 #35
Sorry to nitpick, but it's "ad hominem" Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #37
auto correct strikes again! flamin lib Jul 2014 #38
LOL, gotta love it. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #39
I actually spelled it correctly but failed to notice the "correction". flamin lib Jul 2014 #40
Can you cite this "good authority" for us? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #42
OP is 7 ways to defeat the NRA flamin lib Jul 2014 #45
One poster out of thousands is now "good authority"? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #53
Read the whole sub thread and the post that engendered the comment. nt flamin lib Jul 2014 #54
I think the ref was to the writer's aft torpedo tube, Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #48
Two rifles I would love to have Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #52
An entertaining read that a fact checker could have improved. ManiacJoe Jul 2014 #41
Nothing to see here. A tired, meaningless debate... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #44
From the rejects we have great choices for personal safety. ileus Jul 2014 #50
Its the other way around dookers Jul 2014 #64
Your pandemic of propaganda won't convince persons with integrity pablo_marmol Jul 2014 #65
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