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Eleanors38

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89. So the ACLU went over to the Dark Side?

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ACLU opposes national gun registry [View all] hack89 Apr 2013 OP

*blink* krispos42 Apr 2013 #1

this will be ignored by many pro gun control peeps bossy22 Apr 2013 #2

ACLU sometimes defends "rightie" causes.......... rdharma Apr 2013 #3

No - they defend the Constitution. Which is a bipartisan cause. hack89 Apr 2013 #4

Great. If no one ever shot anyone with guns, we would not have to register them either. jmg257 Apr 2013 #6

Except by law, criminals cannot be forced to register their guns. hack89 Apr 2013 #8

Great. So we have something else to charge them with when they are caught committing crimes... jmg257 Apr 2013 #14

If they are not deterred by laws against murder, assault and armed robbery hack89 Apr 2013 #18

Then they can spend even more time in jail. Willing to take the risk, then do the time. jmg257 Apr 2013 #22

That is too weak an argument for me to support it. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #29

That's understandable. The possibility of govt confiscation because of registration is a concern jmg257 Apr 2013 #51

That and it won't prevent gun deaths. It is useful only after the fact. hack89 Apr 2013 #52

I am of the opinion that registration will be VERY effective. I believe it will jmg257 Apr 2013 #54

We will see what happens. hack89 Apr 2013 #57

Agree for the most part - to a point... jmg257 Apr 2013 #59

Another Newtown will simply polarize America more hack89 Apr 2013 #60

Doesn't Illinois have a form of gun registration? Jenoch Apr 2013 #144

I don't know...how many illegal guns have PDs in Illinois removed from circulation? jmg257 Apr 2013 #150

Do you think there are Jenoch Apr 2013 #155

Well - see what you can dig up. jmg257 Apr 2013 #156

There are tens of millions Jenoch Apr 2013 #157

Depending on who owns them now, I gess. jmg257 Apr 2013 #159

Huh? Jenoch Apr 2013 #166

Come across a person with a gun, it should be registered...a simple check jmg257 Apr 2013 #167

They already do that. Jenoch Apr 2013 #168

Okaaayyyyy...so having them registered is/would be no big deal, then. jmg257 Apr 2013 #170

I'm questioning Jenoch Apr 2013 #171

Yep - so it seems it would help a lot. jmg257 Apr 2013 #172

no it wouldn't gejohnston Apr 2013 #173

Yes it would. jmg257 Apr 2013 #180

Law enforcement checks Jenoch Apr 2013 #174

Of course it helps if the gun is registered. jmg257 Apr 2013 #178

"Little on the down side"? Jenoch Apr 2013 #189

But IF the majority of the people agree - your fears would be unfounded. jmg257 Apr 2013 #193

The problem with Jenoch Apr 2013 #201

Criminals are not required to register their guns. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #175

Thanks! So when one is discovered to have an unregistered (to him) gun, or an jmg257 Apr 2013 #179

Why not simply remove the gun because the person cannot legally own guns? hack89 Apr 2013 #181

That's a good idea...probably happens alot. Registration offers even more crime-fighting tools, jmg257 Apr 2013 #186

I am not afraid of anything. I do not own guns out of fear. hack89 Apr 2013 #191

As mine were merely pointing out the benefits of registration. jmg257 Apr 2013 #192

There are many things I fear. None of which are the reason I own guns hack89 Apr 2013 #194

Not trying hard at all. Many fear registration due to confiscation, privacy issues, etc. jmg257 Apr 2013 #199

I just like to poke holes in targets. hack89 Apr 2013 #200

Yep - no doubt about that! nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #202

More jails! Bigger jails! More jail time! Lock 'em all up! Enrich the Prison Industrial Complex! cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #91

More guns! Bigger mags! More dead bodies! Lock and Load! Enrich the gun manufacturers! jmg257 Apr 2013 #109

Convicted criminals can't be charged for not registering their guns krispos42 Apr 2013 #82

Yep...thanks. Nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #83

5th amendment covers for 2nd jimmy the one Apr 2013 #37

You need to look closer at U.S. v. Freed hack89 Apr 2013 #48

I already DON'T have to register mine. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #24

Neither do I. premium Apr 2013 #33

It's illegal to register guns in Florida. spin Apr 2013 #53

Rec. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #154

These same talking points showing up elsewhere...... rdharma Apr 2013 #9

ACLU website ... hack89 Apr 2013 #10

So the ACLU went over to the Dark Side? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #89

Quit raining on his high. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #169

So, would you be OK with registering all guns not on private property? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #55

They are called concealed carry permits hack89 Apr 2013 #58

What about open carry? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #73

I do not favor open carry. hack89 Apr 2013 #74

A stupid idea? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #75

So illegal gun owners will tether their illegal guns to their cell phones hack89 Apr 2013 #78

Not quite. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #79

How will it saves lives? hack89 Apr 2013 #80

How will it save lives? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #94

It won't ever happen hack89 Apr 2013 #102

Let's hope you are wrong. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #103

Will this be foisted on LE also? Untill they are required to use it, I for one will not. oneshooter Apr 2013 #81

Why should they be exempt? They work for us. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #96

I can actually agree with you. premium Apr 2013 #98

So you went with a tether idea because of a lack of power clffrdjk Apr 2013 #110

That's only one scenario Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #112

Possible yes doable no clffrdjk Apr 2013 #113

There are plenty of times I turn my phone off. shedevil69taz Apr 2013 #185

I think that's a very good idea. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #195

How do you define an illegal gun? WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #105

Good question - 2 answers Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #111

Thanks for replying WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #114

How is a lost gun illegal? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #119

That definition makes sense WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #132

The purpose would not be to track people. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #137

since the chance and history gejohnston Apr 2013 #139

NDs? What are they? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #142

negligent discharge gejohnston Apr 2013 #143

That's a pretty lame argument WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #145

Which argument is lame? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #149

tell that to the gun banners Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #151

I say it to all. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #158

semi automatic shotguns are common for duck hunting gejohnston Apr 2013 #162

Well that's just silly IMO. Takes all the sport out of it. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #163

FWS, and I'm guessing their Canadian counterparts, gejohnston Apr 2013 #164

Mag capacity limits still apply. The semi-auto shotgun simply allows faster follow-up AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #213

That's one of the reason I like 2 barrels Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #216

"and I doubt you will find too many in favor of either CC or OC in major urban environments. " WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #190

Absolutely! Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #197

I understand what you you say your goal is WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #165

No, that is not what I envisage. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #198

"The only guns that need to be retrofitted would be those intended for use in populated areas" WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #209

A populated area is one where people live. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #210

Good idea. rrneck Apr 2013 #217

What happens when Jenoch Apr 2013 #223

Well you see, rrneck Apr 2013 #225

Exactly. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #224

Jesus Tack, you live on a boat and you didn't see that hook? rrneck Apr 2013 #226

Are you kidding? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #227

Well, lets have a look at it... rrneck Apr 2013 #228

OK, let us indeed have a look Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #230

Well, here's what you'll have to do to make it work. rrneck Apr 2013 #231

Do they do Jenoch Apr 2013 #146

Guns are not a problem in England. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #160

that is assuming mutual combat gejohnston Apr 2013 #161

Yeah, good luck with the GPS tracking. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #183

I agree. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #188

And, again, the only guns that would be registered... krispos42 Apr 2013 #86

I don't include 12 gauge shotguns. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #99

That's a state matter; I may object, but only have a say in the state where I live... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #90

This is an area that needs to be a federal matter. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #100

It is not states' "rights," but states' powers, as rights are individual, not communitarian. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #123

The states should have more control locally Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #136

actually it doesn't track guns used in crimes for these reasons gejohnston Apr 2013 #138

Guns are not usually left behind at crime scenes. Correct. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #141

rifling marks change over time gejohnston Apr 2013 #147

I said registration has not been shown to be effective... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #187

No insults intended, unless the glove fits, of course. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #196

??? Do you want registration? If so, make your case.. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #214

so you are supportive of the police state? bossy22 Apr 2013 #16

Why is there concern over differences in the records for BGC? jmg257 Apr 2013 #5

They think the present standard for NIC background checks should be the standard for all checks. hack89 Apr 2013 #7

But there are NO unlicensed gun sales. ALL sale need to go through an FFL... jmg257 Apr 2013 #11

They are talking about private sales. The "gun show loophole" as it were. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #12

Please re-read...there are NO "PRIVATE SALES"... jmg257 Apr 2013 #17

I think this is the section that concerns them hack89 Apr 2013 #25

Thanks, hack, appreciate the patience in clearing that up! I did indeed not notice that. nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #36

So I would have to go through a FFL when my FIL gifted my MILs .22 pistol Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #126

Naa - you'd probably be good...long as you are law-abiding... jmg257 Apr 2013 #135

What do you mean, "If I'm law-abiding"? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #140

Why not? How does anyone know if you can lawfully own firearms w/o a BC? jmg257 Apr 2013 #148

"ACLU is saying ........" rdharma Apr 2013 #13

Are you saying the ACLU didn't say what they said? hack89 Apr 2013 #15

ACLU didn't say what they said? rdharma Apr 2013 #20

I get it now, premium Apr 2013 #21

Follow the posted link......... rdharma Apr 2013 #27

So because it's coming from a site you don't approve of, premium Apr 2013 #31

I've noticed a pattern....... rdharma Apr 2013 #39

"Poisoning the well." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #40

And your conclusions could be wrong. premium Apr 2013 #41

You think repeating "rightie talking points" ....... rdharma Apr 2013 #43

What "rightie talking points"? premium Apr 2013 #45

It's not just "righties." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #26

So now you are trying to tie the ACLU to the RW. Nice. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #28

When the ACLU agrees more with a "rightie" web site sylvi Apr 2013 #19

You make zero sense. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #184

I've just noted how some DU posters seem to get their talking points......... rdharma Apr 2013 #204

I agree that it was strange insofar as AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #205

"I wouldn't automatically assume malice, but there are other patterns that can correlate" rdharma Apr 2013 #206

strange bedfellow for the nra jimmy the one Apr 2013 #23

Yup - they are concerned with protecting civil liberties. hack89 Apr 2013 #30

Strange bedfellows, indeed! rdharma Apr 2013 #32

So? premium Apr 2013 #34

I didn't agree with the ACLU....... rdharma Apr 2013 #35

Yeah I did. premium Apr 2013 #38

Wow. I guess we know where you stand on equal rights now. sylvi Apr 2013 #56

I've begun challenging the "progressiveness" of banners... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #93

I've never considered disarming the populace as progressive. sylvi Apr 2013 #104

I did. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #63

Abrogation of civil rights? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #128

So you support freedom of speech armueller2001 Apr 2013 #85

ACLU Policy Statement #47 4Q2u2 Apr 2013 #50

+1 LAGC Apr 2013 #92

I've been telling people who call me asking for money for the ACLU this for almost 20 years... slackmaster Apr 2013 #42

"I may have to reconsider my position on the ACLU" rdharma Apr 2013 #44

Do you have any proof that he's not telling the truth? nt. premium Apr 2013 #46

Proof? rdharma Apr 2013 #47

Yes, proof. premium Apr 2013 #49

Essentially calling someone a liar should require at least a modicum of proof. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #62

Burden of proof is not on me. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #64

Sure it is. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #66

Nuh uh! rdharma Apr 2013 #67

You essentially called him a liar. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #76

Like I said..... believe him if you like! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #77

See pot. See stirrer. Smell stench. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #95

Yes, proof. You are implying that either I am a regular supporter of the ACLU and falsely stating... slackmaster Apr 2013 #124

"Regular supporter of the ACLU" rdharma Apr 2013 #125

And you are most certainly not fooling anybody here. premium Apr 2013 #127

"either"? rdharma Apr 2013 #129

Not at all, premium Apr 2013 #130

Editing out your "Freudian slip"? rdharma Apr 2013 #133

Nope, premium Apr 2013 #134

Thanks for the clarification. You are calling me a liar. slackmaster Apr 2013 #131

You really should reconsider. LAGC Apr 2013 #87

Wow. A thoughtful, well-written, courteous reply. Thank you. slackmaster Apr 2013 #107

^^^ Last paragraph especially ^^^ Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #232

interesting enough, people aren't talking about this part of their concern bossy22 Apr 2013 #61

The Daily Caller? rdharma Apr 2013 #65

herpa derp nt sylvi Apr 2013 #68

Daily Caller........ derp! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #69

Herpa derp nt sylvi Apr 2013 #71

Virginia mountainman picked up on the nebulous definitions of 'transfer' and started a petronius Apr 2013 #72

That's interesting, and a bit surprising. I'd love to see it as direct policy statement petronius Apr 2013 #70

Another reason to support the ACLU... ileus Apr 2013 #84

Hell yeah. LAGC Apr 2013 #88

I would like to add ACLU to my list, along with... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #97

Privacy vs the militia clause of the 2nd Amendment. Buzz cook Apr 2013 #101

You need to catch up on the law. Start with Heller. NT hack89 Apr 2013 #106

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #117

-4 times Buzz cook Apr 2013 #120

Did I miss something? Straw Man Apr 2013 #121

Oh, those right-wing, tea-bag, ALCU kooks. You know, the ones who spout the NRA talking points. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #108

Oops! ACLU doesn't think much of NRA's "School Shield" proposal either! rdharma Apr 2013 #115

Liberals are always independent thinkers. I wouldn't expect anything less from the ACLU. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #116

And I don't expect the righties here to support the ACLU's objections to ....... rdharma Apr 2013 #118

I hate this!! markboxer Apr 2013 #122

This I don't understand. Sometimes we have to support things for the better good of our society. demosincebirth Apr 2013 #152

They have always made privacy a top concern. hack89 Apr 2013 #153

What's wrong with, just, common sense legislation? Maybe "common sense" is the problem demosincebirth Apr 2013 #203

We all define common sense differently hack89 Apr 2013 #215

You have a drivers liscense, you're in a data base. Driving is a privelege not a right. This is demosincebirth Apr 2013 #229

Gun registration would be bad for society slackmaster Apr 2013 #182

no group is right on every issue. bowens43 Apr 2013 #176

And you wonder why gun owners fight "reasonable gun control." nt hack89 Apr 2013 #177

Thank you for posting. It kind of undercuts the claim that no one is arguing for confiscation AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #211

finally. ACLU. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2013 #207

+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #208

Did the ACLU oppose the NFA registry? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #212

The thing about using the NFA as a template is that individual can't register guns hack89 Apr 2013 #218

Use the same mechanism that was used to register them at the inception of the '34 NFA. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #219

It is hard to imagine gun registration ever becoming the law of the land hack89 Apr 2013 #220

UBC's are a great start, and will help, but AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #221

The best way to cut down on straw purchases is to crack down on dirty gun dealers. hack89 Apr 2013 #222