Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: The Global March to Jerusalem, a brave and admirable attempt to awaken the world’s conscience [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)....as to how things were very likely (around 99.999% certain) that the human rights situation in Egypt would get worse (civil liberties would get worse). THAT is happening, will continue to happen, and is beyond dispute. As bad as Mubarak was, he was the lesser of 2 evils. The MB is far worse. For some reason you are reluctant to admit this. Why?
If we are ONLY talking about liberal/progressive values, and nothing else, you would agree that Egyptians (as well as the rest of the region) are better off under Mubarak than the MB.
As to Gaza and the W.Bank, we know what kind of governments are in charge there and know exactly how they will operate. They will be neither liberal or progressive, in any measurable way. But that doesn't make a difference to you. They could be the Taliban and you would still call for Taliban authoritarian rule there. Nationalism first and foremost. Freedom from occupation. If rightwing nationalism did not come first, you'd actually advocate against Hamas and Fatah (rather than shielding them from criticism). You'd demand more civil liberties for Palestinians there, rather than argue that it's cultural imperialism to demand such a thing. You'd call them out for being against genuine peace. Remember, it is YOU and your comrades who say you're pro-Palestinian, pro-human rights, pro "all that is good and moral". So what are you doing for the Palestinian cause OTHER than advocating for rightwing nationalism and bashing Israel?