Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: The Global March to Jerusalem, a brave and admirable attempt to awaken the world’s conscience [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If they are living as an independent country, rather than under some other country's occupation. Also, I go with Mahatma Gandhi's quote about people preferring to have a bad government that they run themselves rather than any government imposed by someone else.
And you are lying about me when you say I don't care about civil rights. I simply reject the idea that the Palestinians are more likely to create a state with civil rights if they are forced to live under at the mercy of the IDF for decades to come. That's completely different than dismissing the importance of civil rights. I care about them...and there's no contradiction between that and supporting self-determination. The two go together.
I don't have to place fighting Hamas first to prove that I care about civil rights. Hamas is not more important than everything else in the entire situation. Why do you pretend that it is? And we both know that defeating Hamas couldn't possibly lead to a more democratic Palestine.
You have never accurately described my views...you have just cynically twisted to personally demonize me.
And as to the argument that I place people governing themselves before EVERYTHING else...you do realize that there's a massive irony in you making that argument as a committed Zionist, don't you? The whole basis of Zionism is that a particular people can ONLY be free if they get to live in their own enclave, with power over everybody else who happens to have a home in said enclave.
Why do you keep pretending that keeping the Occupation in place is about protecting civil rights when it never has been.