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31. we came close to civil war ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:30 AM
Feb 2014

after Rabin's assassination .....Sharon knew he would get the backing of the majority to get the settlers out of the Gush becuase he knew how much they were hated . Kadima's success was based on the rejection of the followers of a ' Greater Israel ' and of Bibi who backed them up to the hilt .

I'm not suprised you Americans know nothing about it Daneel ..... the victors always re-write history .

look :

"" LAST WEDNESDAY was the 16th anniversary of his assassination, according to the Hebrew calendar.

The event was marked in Israeli schools by speeches and special lessons. What these citizens of tomorrow learned was that it is very bad to murder a prime minister. And that, more or less, was that.

Not a word about why he was killed. Certainly nothing about the community the assassin belonged to, or what campaign of hatred and incitement led to the murder.

The Ministry of Education is now firmly in the hands of a Likud minister, and one of the most extreme. But the trend is not confined to the education system.

In Israel it is practically impossible to obtain a picture of Rabin shaking the hand of Arafat. Rabin and King Hussein? As many post cards as you might wish. But Rabin’s peace with Jordan was an unimportant matter, like the US peace with Canada. The Oslo agreement, however, was a historic watershed.

Only people branded as “extreme leftists” – one of the worst insults these days – dare to raise the obvious questions about the assassination: Who? Why?

There is tacit agreement that the only person responsible was the actual assassin: Yigal Amir, the son of Yemenite Jews, a former settler and a student of a religious university.

Would he have acted without the blessing of one or more rabbis? Most certainly not.

Amir was led to do what he did by months of intense incitement. An unprecedented campaign of hatred dominated the public sphere. Posters showed Rabin in the uniform of an SS officer. Religious groups publicly condemned him to death in medieval ceremonies. Demonstrators in front of his private home shouted: “With blood and fire / we shall remove Rabin!”

In the most (in)famous demonstration, in the center of Jerusalem, a coffin marked “Rabin” was paraded around, while Netanyahu looked on from a balcony, in the company of other rightist leaders.

And most tellingly: not a single important right-wing or religious voice was raised against this murderous campaign.

By general tacit agreement, nothing of all this was mentioned this week. Why? Because it would not be nice. It would “split the nation”. Honorable citizens do not do this kind of thing.

Rabin himself cannot be acquitted of all blame. After the incredibly courageous act of recognizing the PLO (and thereby the Palestinian people) and shaking hands with Arafat, he did not rush forward to create an irreversible historic fact of peace, but hesitated, dithered, held back and allowed the forces of war and racism to regroup and counter-attack.

When the Kiryat Arba settler Baruch Goldstein carried out his massacre in the “Cave of Machpela”, Rabin had a golden opportunity to clear out the nest of fascist settlers in Hebron. He shrank back from taking on the settlers. The settlers did not shrink back from killing him.""


http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1321022639/

and here :

http://mycorrectviews.tumblr.com/post/31922070832/the-government-of-israel-announces-with-shock

"" The whole process of incitement and murder, followed by further incitement and electoral victory, resembles a putsch, rather than simple political excess. The junta may be ensconced in power, but the truth cannot be forever suppressed ""

Liberal zionism is on the march, one goose-step at a time! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #1
This is far-right extremism, not liberal anything LeftishBrit Feb 2014 #2
I dont know who is more confused ... Israeli Feb 2014 #3
OK - sorry, misread something when reading too fast. But people like that hate liberal Zionists too. LeftishBrit Feb 2014 #4
Baruch Marzel and Michael Ben-Ari..... Israeli Feb 2014 #5
I'm not at all confused. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #7
Obama: Israel validates Herzl’s Zionist vision King_David Feb 2014 #8
Google for "Bush Zionist" - same results Scootaloo Feb 2014 #9
It's not nearly as nasty as the extremist right wing King_David Feb 2014 #10
You're right, extremism IS ugly Scootaloo Feb 2014 #11
"Zionism - along with white supremacism" King_David Feb 2014 #12
Have you ever considered Shaktimaan Feb 2014 #16
Napoleon Bonaparte is a human rights leader? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #17
You know what... Shaktimaan Feb 2014 #19
He also lived and died prior to any solid notion of "Zionism." Scootaloo Feb 2014 #23
Funny Shaktimaan Feb 2014 #20
Here's the trouble... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #26
+1 King_David Feb 2014 #34
Kicking because someone may have missed this post. nt King_David Mar 2014 #68
with all due respect Scootaloo.... Israeli Feb 2014 #13
Maybe you can help me then. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #14
I will try ... Israeli Feb 2014 #15
Just remembered this post... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #18
I'm probably the last person you should be arguing with Scootaloo... Israeli Feb 2014 #21
I'm not arguing with you, just trying to clarify my position Scootaloo Feb 2014 #22
"22. I'm not arguing with you, just trying to clarify my position" King_David Feb 2014 #24
Strange how you seem perpetually puzzled by it Scootaloo Feb 2014 #25
Not puzzled at all King_David Feb 2014 #28
By all means Scootaloo Feb 2014 #29
Oh it wasn't just "white nationalism " King_David Feb 2014 #32
David, you're becoming a self-parody Scootaloo Feb 2014 #38
Sorry I don't argue this on ANY King_David Feb 2014 #40
Now hold up just a second... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #44
Who knows what motivates you, King_David Mar 2014 #47
Oh, do you? Let's hear it, then. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #51
I never realized you were so ... Israeli Feb 2014 #30
Well Scootaloo considers Rabins ideology to have been King_David Feb 2014 #33
And yet I can see he was attempting to pull the politics of his country in a different direction Scootaloo Feb 2014 #36
Rabin was pulling away from Zionism? King_David Feb 2014 #39
As I said, you're basically a cartoon character Scootaloo Feb 2014 #42
Not quite sure what that was all about King_David Mar 2014 #43
...Hasn't EVERY superman been white? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #45
Wow Scootaloo... Israeli Mar 2014 #46
congrats.... pelsar Mar 2014 #48
I hear you pelsar.... Israeli Mar 2014 #52
I'm not getting it, Israeli... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #54
You read a " biography of him ".... Israeli Mar 2014 #59
"Scootaloo obviously thinks we are all nasty little racist assholes" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #64
its some kind of mix... pelsar Mar 2014 #84
I'm being .... " way to easy on them here " .... Israeli Mar 2014 #86
As opposed to people like you Pelsar, who believed in this: Scootaloo Mar 2014 #56
and you believe pelsar to be ? Or that he believes Rabin was a Nazi? King_David Mar 2014 #62
Kicking because someone may have missed this post. nt King_David Mar 2014 #69
i guess its easier to make up stuff...... pelsar Mar 2014 #82
Yes it's unbelievable the fabrications from her. King_David Mar 2014 #83
with all due respect a question why did you feel it nessasary to paraphrase the poster azurnoir Mar 2014 #49
Not really, you do not speak for Scoot, she can speak for herself, King_David Mar 2014 #65
In the comment that is actually in question, not the one you chose he did agree with what I said azurnoir Mar 2014 #66
As Azurnoir says... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #50
well to be fair azurnoir Mar 2014 #53
I suppose so Scootaloo Mar 2014 #55
Don't take that as any back pedaling on my earlier comment however azurnoir Mar 2014 #57
Not at all, I was just agreeing Scootaloo Mar 2014 #58
sure Scootaloo.... Israeli Mar 2014 #60
Uri Averny makes a good case for Rabin having had a legitimate change of heart Scootaloo Mar 2014 #63
you are welcome Scootaloo... Israeli Mar 2014 #70
While I understand, sadly I can't relate Scootaloo Mar 2014 #81
Hi Israeli... shira Mar 2014 #67
Shalom shira ... Israeli Mar 2014 #71
In the eyes of Hamas, Hezbollah, BDS.... we're both "Zionists" shira Mar 2014 #72
when it comes down to you and me shira .... Israeli Mar 2014 #73
You keep pretending I'm somehow an enemy of Rabin... shira Mar 2014 #74
pull the other one shira .... Israeli Mar 2014 #75
What does machsom watch have to do with any of this? shira Mar 2014 #76
shira no one here see's Israeli that way azurnoir Mar 2014 #77
Pull the other leg, Az.... If Rabin was a war criminal POS, nasty little racist asshole.... shira Mar 2014 #78
well if you say so that's your opinion azurnoir Mar 2014 #79
Thank you n/t azurnoir Mar 2014 #80
but your not... pelsar Mar 2014 #85
Ideologies aren't people Scootaloo Mar 2014 #87
Took you long enough. nt King_David Mar 2014 #61
Time moves at a different rate than it did in the 1800s. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #27
we came close to civil war ... Israeli Feb 2014 #31
Well, I have to say it sounds more plausibl... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #37
+1 King_David Feb 2014 #35
"Its nowhere near identical ..... come on Scootaloo you cant possibly believe that . " King_David Feb 2014 #41
this award sounds as real sabbat hunter Feb 2014 #6
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