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In reply to the discussion: WATCH: IDF Soldier Screams At Israeli Activists: 'You Are Worse Than The Arabs' [View all]pelsar
(12,283 posts)123. failure does not excuse their attempts.....
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And the Israeli side has just as much to apologize for as the Palestinians, since Palestinians suffered just as much as, if not more than, the Israelisreally?....the Palestinians were so suffering in the 1940's, that they just had to attack Israel? What exactly were they "suffering from? besides a selfish need to control land and restrict people who needed a safe place to live from coming home with dreams of creating a new democratic country?
seems to me, the whole thing could have been avoided if the arabs (they weren't call Palestenians in the 1940's the jews were) and their neighbors weren't so selfish......
perhaps, unlike all the other countries of the world, they should have welcomed the jews "home"..... (as infact some did, but were clearly "overruled" by others)
perhaps thats where the apology should start?
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As to those things as a justification for prevention of a non-democratic state...
well i'm always against the creation of dictatorships, theocratic regimes, since by their nature they are anti civil rights, anti everybody and only cause more suffering and many times killing on a far greater scale than a temporary occupation-not to mention potentially causing regional instability with all the violence that may cause....
clearly you prefer "land ownership/nationalism" over civil rights and security for citizens that democratic states do provide (or at least have a better chance of it).....you actually promote the creation of a anti democratic state...occupation simply under a different "boss" with the proper genes. (but then you can ignore their abuses and there will be no real pressure for any change, since it will be 'their country' and their business....)
I personally dont understand why hamas, for example has a right to rule with indirect (and direct) support from the left while israel doesn't. Is it a gene thing? if so just write it out? perhaps you believe that hamas supports more civil rights during its present ruling than israel did?
I'm not going to argue that israel as an occupying country is good, but i'm just curious how hamas is better...you do prefer hamas over israel correct?
and yes it turns out that when israel left, history has shown that in fact those were the two actual choices, limited, not very good, but thats it, just 2.
israel or hamas......
(yes i know you wont choose, as i understand you dont believe in limited choices, you seem to ignore that reality that the avg gazan has to live with, be it hamas or israel and pretend that they some how have another option...as they make sure their daughters have new potatoes sacks to wear before going out...
actions and 'inactions" have real consequences for real people.....pretending there are choices that dont exist result in real consequences, not always for the better, that is partially why libya now has shari law in place, why the MB has taken over Egypt, why hamas owns gaza, why areas of syria are now under shari law, why jordan maybe next on the list....
political fantasies can make life worse for real people....
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WATCH: IDF Soldier Screams At Israeli Activists: 'You Are Worse Than The Arabs' [View all]
Purveyor
Apr 2013
OP
Don't change the subject. You cheer on palestinian rock-throwing child militants.....
shira
Apr 2013
#6
Quite a bit takes place outside the territories, in Jerusalem, around the holy places....
shira
Apr 2013
#27
Throwing rocks at soldiers is fine, throwing rocks at civilians is unacceptable.
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#10
Does the rock-throwing justify keeping Palestinians away from Palestinian-OWNED land?
Ken Burch
May 2013
#101
Perhaps some rock throwing, at some time, justifies any IDF action against Palestinians anytime?
delrem
May 2013
#102
You know perfectly well that I don't approve of any of the things you listed there.
Ken Burch
May 2013
#122
The problem is, you see YOUR belief(that is, defense of the "lesser evil" by any means necessary)
Ken Burch
May 2013
#135
The statement is double talk as the British Palestine mandate included all of the West Bank
azurnoir
Apr 2013
#76
i don't have the money to buy a book to get basic information about everything i'm interested
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#67
Aww, what's the matter? Are you sad no one here wants to play your bullcrap game?
shira
Apr 2013
#25
I think you're a provocateur, and that you are everything the IDF soldier represents in this video.
delrem
May 2013
#103
It's your nature to be an internet coward, always deflecting. So I don't blame you. n/t
delrem
Apr 2013
#14
play? what kind of a retrograde are you? The OP has nothing to do with rock throwing. nt
delrem
Apr 2013
#45
If there is a war going on, and enemy soldiers arrived near my house, armed up.
bravenak
Apr 2013
#32