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pelsar

(12,283 posts)
23. the difference between us....basic..
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:40 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:37 AM - Edit history (5)

I believe that the Palestenains are a people who are responsible for their decisions, the decisions of their leaders, and if and when those in gaza decide that its best not to try to kill israelis, and play nice with israel, then and only then will their lives improve.

but maybe this is the problem:

Second, as just as important...did the PA and after hamas really believe that they could fire rockets almost daily in to israel and they're wouldnt be a reaction from israel? like limiting their ability to exit to israel or lift the sea blockade?

your answer:
I dunno.



without knowing what they believe (and their motivation) behind their actions, one can hardly find a solution...
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Logically if a different result were desired, a different approach would be tried. Since a different approach is not being tried, we have to come to one of two conclusions.


care to play? I'll show you how israel has tried different approaches with regards to gaza...and you show me how the gazans be it the PA or hamas has NOT tried to kill israelis as their basic approach.

..and we'll remember your sentence above to reach the logical conclusion.....(but this is based on giving responsibility to both israel and gaza for their actions, can you do it? which do you believe the gazans since day one of the withdrawal are or are not responsible for their actions.
(that being the very basic foundation question)

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a note: israel in 48 had one open border to the outside world...thats all a country needs, hence in answer to your comment that egypt cannot solve many of gazans problems, clearly your wrong. And yes i want israel out of the picture from gaza, until they learn to play nice. They had and still have an opportunity to change that, any day they want...their first step is to stop the almost daily attacks.
Looks like the isolation of Gaza is having the intended effect! Scootaloo Apr 2013 #1
+1 it's become the go to example for some here n/t azurnoir Apr 2013 #6
so do you agree with scoot? pelsar Apr 2013 #7
the "Gazans" didn't vote in Hamas as their leaders azurnoir Apr 2013 #8
yes there was coup after they were voted in.... pelsar Apr 2013 #10
first let's get this straight Palestinians voted in Abbas as their leader not Hamas azurnoir Apr 2013 #11
they won the parliament of gaza pelsar Apr 2013 #14
Hamas won the majority of seats azurnoir Apr 2013 #15
i was refering to the geographic areas... pelsar Apr 2013 #16
No the elections were for both the West Bank and Gaza not separate azurnoir Apr 2013 #20
The Jews ... holdencaufield Apr 2013 #9
so seeing as how pelsar was replying to me do you wish to expand on that? azurnoir Apr 2013 #12
No, I'm good holdencaufield Apr 2013 #13
You're putting a lot of things in my mouth. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #19
so now israel can read the future?.....and your short on facts... pelsar Apr 2013 #21
Your fantasy world is small and just a little unnerving Scootaloo Apr 2013 #22
the difference between us....basic.. pelsar Apr 2013 #23
I'm afraid you truly don't have a clue what you're talking about Scootaloo Apr 2013 #28
so predictable you skipped the foundation question pelsar Apr 2013 #32
"The Gazans" Scootaloo Apr 2013 #35
make your own definition... pelsar Apr 2013 #37
Isolate a polity and its true nature shows itself. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #26
Interesting argument Scootaloo Apr 2013 #29
It is a product of their culture, of their philosophy, their history, their religion. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #34
And why did the Catholic church dominate for so long? Scootaloo Apr 2013 #36
It's Israel's fault ? King_David Apr 2013 #17
Yes, isolated polities tend to go haywire Scootaloo Apr 2013 #18
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. Shaktimaan Apr 2013 #24
Given they tend to get worse WITH isolation... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #30
apparently gazas gotten better.... pelsar Apr 2013 #40
My exact point. Shaktimaan Apr 2013 #45
by the way. Shaktimaan Apr 2013 #46
A simple world for a simple person, I suppose Scootaloo Apr 2013 #47
Has Israel's blockade injured Hamas at all? oberliner Apr 2013 #48
So strong enough to stymie elections? Scootaloo Apr 2013 #49
I'm unsure of your argument? Shaktimaan Apr 2013 #43
While I'm here... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #50
No, I'm certainly not confused. Shaktimaan Apr 2013 #51
what would happen to your argument... pelsar Apr 2013 #52
Was pretty long King_David Apr 2013 #44
victims of their own religion. quel surprise nt msongs Apr 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #3
Crazy, King_David Apr 2013 #4
Hamas = extremists. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #5
It's not Hamas' fault. See above for apologists' views. n/t shira Apr 2013 #25
Some people have no knowledge of history and are very naive. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #27
I'm not absolving Hamas, Shira Scootaloo Apr 2013 #31
Looks like defending/supporting Hamas to me.... shira Apr 2013 #42
which ones shira because I do not see any azurnoir Apr 2013 #33
What I see is a shitload of shifting the blame.... shira Apr 2013 #38
where shira ? azurnoir Apr 2013 #39
You blame the occupation for Hamas' actions. n/t shira Apr 2013 #41
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