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OKIsItJustMe

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19. "We're not there yet."

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:44 AM

Dec 2014

Clearly, the $20K personal FCEV is not here yet.

http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/review14/fc081_kurtz_2014_p.pdf

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20141127/COPY/311289994/toyotas-fuel-cell-goal:-big-cost-cutting

[font face=Serif][font size=5]Toyota's fuel cell goal: Big cost cutting[/font]
[font size=4]Automaker wants to show new tech at '20 Olympics[/font]

November 27, 2014 06:01 CET

[font size=3]TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp.'s top fuel cell engineer predicts the automaker will slash the cost of the next hydrogen-fueled powertrain to between one-third and one-fourth the cost of the current system, which debuted last week in the Mirai fuel cell sedan.

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The cost of the Mirai's fuel cell is about one-twentieth the cost of the system that Toyota used in the previous-generation fuel cell vehicle, which debuted in 2008.

Yasuhiro Nonobe, general manager for fuel cell vehicle system design, said continuing that pace of dramatic cost cuts is unlikely. Nonetheless, his team has set a cost target of as little as a quarter of the cost of today's system for the company's next-generation fuel cell system, he said.

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Toyota engineers say more affordable technologies will help them reach their goal of selling tens of thousands of fuel cell vehicles a year around 2020. And by 2025, they want the price gap between fuel cell cars and conventional gasoline vehicles to be the same as that between hybrid vehicles and gasoline ones.

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Hydrogen Cars, Coming Down the Pike [View all] OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 OP

Hydrogen Cars! Coming to a dealer near you at a price less than a ferrari! Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #1

Please, don’t let the facts get in the way of an old joke! OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #2

Great. Let's do a road trip in one! tinrobot Nov 2014 #3

People always talk about the “Chicken and the Egg” problem OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #4

Maybe if Obama's first energy secretary Chu hadn't cut funding nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #5

“If these stations were mass produced they would cost a lot less than … ~$1 million…” OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #6

That's a million dollar question nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #7

You don’t have to sell me on this stuff OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #8

"Chu now says that was a "mistake". caraher Dec 2014 #16

On FCVs, Secretary Chu Changes His Mind OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #17

Thanks, that's consistent with what he told us last month caraher Dec 2014 #18

"We're not there yet." OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #19

So, who here is actually going to buy a hydrogen car? tinrobot Dec 2014 #9

I'd like to live in a world where the question is, "Who would want to buy a car?" hunter Dec 2014 #12

“I'd like to live in a world where the question is, ‘Who would want to buy a car?’” OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #13

There's nothing natural about automobiles... hunter Dec 2014 #14

You don’t need to convince me that today’s automobiles are a Faustian bargain OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #15

Why move molecules when we can already just move electrons? Gregorian Dec 2014 #10

“Moving electrons around” is not ideal either even with the best batteries OKIsItJustMe Dec 2014 #11