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OKIsItJustMe

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21. Give me a break
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:27 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:19 AM - Edit history (3)

Give me an example of an energy source.

I would not describe hydrogen as an energy source, but… claiming that “hydrogen is not an energy source,” is meaningless. Really, it’s all a matter of perspective.

I’ve always been amused by a little bit of electronics called a “power supply.” I mean, really, the typical “power supply” doesn’t supply power, it only converts it, but from the perspective of the other electronics, it’s where their power comes from. (It is their “power supply.”)


Looked at from a wide enough perspective (as I did as a reductio ad absurdum) everything is powered by hydrogen fusion. (Hydrogen is the “ultimate energy source.”)


Looked at from a practical viewpoint:

Let’s say I’m driving a conventional automobile. You ask me what it runs on. I reply, “Gasoline.” You probably wouldn’t ask me “What’s it’s energy source?” but if you did, my answer would probably be the same.

The next day, I drive up with a tank full of E-85. “What does it run on?” (“What’s it’s energy source?”) “Bio-Fuel!”

The next day, I have a tank full of ethanol. “What does it run on?” (“What’s it’s energy source?”) “Ethanol!”

The next day, I drive up in an electric car. “What does it run on?” (“What’s it’s energy source?”) “Batteries!”

The next day, I have a tank full of hydrogen. “What does it run on?” (“What’s it’s energy source?”) “Hydrogen!” “You know… Hydrogen isn’t an energy source!”


Do you really think that everybody who describes “hydrogen” as an energy source thinks that we will be sinking “hydrogen wells” into the ground? I expect that it would be just a few more than the number who think that we can mine electricity.

i think just about everyone knows that hydrogen needs to be produced somehow. (Typically, they describe creating it by splitting water.)

Hydrogen ain't no easy thing Mopar151 Apr 2013 #1
The name Hindenburg mean anything to y'all? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #4
Yes - I'm saying it's tricky as hell and nothing for armchair scientists to mess with. n/t Mopar151 Apr 2013 #12
A minor quibble, hydrogen is not an energy *source*, it is a means of energy transport/storage n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #2
OK, then so is every other fuel we know OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #3
I never meant to imply otherwise Fumesucker Apr 2013 #5
Then it is a meaningless distinction, isn’t it? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #6
I think being accurate with terminology is a good thing and facilitates good decision making Fumesucker Apr 2013 #7
Agree. wtmusic Apr 2013 #10
Potentially, hydrogen is a fuel source with no emissions OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #15
OK, so answer me this… is wood an energy source? You know, if I burn it? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #16
Not meaningless at all since understanding the actual "source" is vital kristopher Apr 2013 #8
You’ll need to define “low” and then, say, “as compared to…” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #17
"Low" has been defined many times. kristopher Apr 2013 #19
Uh huh… We all know what “low” is. I mean, we do, right? (No need for defining our terms.) OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #22
You mean there is no difference whatsoever between the 1,234,679,012th solar "breakthrough" we've... NNadir Apr 2013 #37
OK, let's think this one through. wtmusic Apr 2013 #9
The loss in most older "city" gas systems is appalling Mopar151 Apr 2013 #13
Wrong on two points. longship Apr 2013 #11
I do get tired of this oft repeated bit of pedantic sophistry, “Hydrogen is not a energy source” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #18
I can see why the term "pedantic sophistry" was on your mind kristopher Apr 2013 #20
Give me a break OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #21
Yes, it is a matter of perspective. kristopher Apr 2013 #26
Is hydrogen different from other fuels in some way? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #28
If you want to get in it at that level kristopher Apr 2013 #29
Hydrogen isn’t even a fuel!? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #31
A different example OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #30
It's not that difficult. wtmusic Apr 2013 #23
OK, so… gasoline is an energy source and ethanol is not? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #24
Both are. wtmusic Apr 2013 #25
OK, so if I have a strain of algae which produces hydrogen… OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #27
I suppose it could be wtmusic Apr 2013 #32
And, so… hydrogen produced by “artificial photosynthesis” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #33
Not a cheap one. wtmusic Apr 2013 #34
But you agree, it is reasonable to call it an “energy source” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #36
It's not an energy source, yet. wtmusic Apr 2013 #38
At what point does it achieve “viability?” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #39
That's a matter of opinion. wtmusic Apr 2013 #40
Regarding Expense OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #35
A ray of light? Mopar151 Apr 2013 #14
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