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The Second Stone

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5. Any of them who sing are not strong singers. And I'm a big admirer of the music
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 10:04 PM
Aug 2015

Phil Lesh has never had long breaths, so his vocals can't really draw out a note. He is, however, close to being on key. Bob Weir is not off key, but more of what I would describe (as a non musician) as being a tinsy bit flat, and without depth. Jerry Garcia had a beautiful, rich and varied voice, but could be off key. Donna Jean Godchaux was horribly off key much of the time. Ron "Pigpen" McKernan (first keyboardist) was a fantastic blues singer, but drank himself to death. I didn't really care for the singing of the other keyboardists, although I cannot speak to Tom Constanten as I could not tell him apart (I'm only going to pick on the dead ones) and Bruce Hornsby is a very good singer.

I could not stand the singing of Brent Mydland or Vince Welnick (both deceased keyboardists). Keith Godchaux may have been terrible too, but his wife was much, much worse making the rest sound like angels by comparison. (Sorry Donna. You had some wonderful moments, but geez, why did they let you do this? )

I can't speak to Mickey Hart of Phil Kreutzman's singing. Their dual drummers.

If it's a male voice and off-key, it's probably Jerry or one of the deceased keyboardists. Jerry singing off key usually worked for the material. At least for me. Generally speaking, Jerry's singing for me was like Duane Allman's sour guitar. An acquired taste. Give a listen to Brokedown Palace sometime and tell me that is not wonderful as is, and pure vocals would only screw it up.

A good Jerry vocal really makes a Grateful Dead show. I saw him live only once in 93 and he was good, but not great. I've got most of their live albums (over 100) and some are really great music.

Go to their website and try to buy Dick's Picks volumes one through four. These are the very best hidden gems in my opinion.

Was this during the Donna Godchaux years 1972-79? NightWatcher Aug 2015 #1
No. This is a male singer. There was an off key singer in the days when there were only males japple Aug 2015 #2
Donna Jean could carry a tune in the studio, her bailiwick Brother Buzz Aug 2015 #16
Phil had a reputation peacefreak Aug 2015 #3
That was going to be my guess. GoCubsGo Aug 2015 #4
Any of them who sing are not strong singers. And I'm a big admirer of the music The Second Stone Aug 2015 #5
I agree with just about all that. Except for Brent Mydland. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #6
I hated Vince's tinny keyboards. Didn't much care for his voice The Second Stone Aug 2015 #9
+1 for Dick's Picks Scuba Aug 2015 #23
I'll join in with my stuff: As someone blessed/cursed with perfect pitch, the whole band was.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #7
auto tune has destroyed music mackerel Aug 2015 #8
It has hurt professional music a great deal and the artistry behind it The Second Stone Aug 2015 #11
I'm tone deaf in my singing much of the time, and I cannot imagine how someone with perfect The Second Stone Aug 2015 #10
You get it. Music is supposed to bring joy to the listener. We don't like exactly the same food ... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #13
I'd guess Jerry too cemaphonic Aug 2015 #12
That was my thinking as well. When they sing some of the bluegrass standards, japple Aug 2015 #14
Hi, japple! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #15
Peggy-O antiquie Aug 2015 #17
Yes, Peggy-O is a favorite. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #18
I listened to a bit of this and couldn't tell who sang which part! japple Aug 2015 #19
Your opinion of the Grateful Dead Enthusiast Aug 2015 #20
I thought they all were off-key. kwassa Aug 2015 #21
I'm a big Dead fan Munificence Aug 2015 #22
Honey child, I wasn't dissing the Dead, so don't get your feathers japple Aug 2015 #25
x astral Aug 2015 #24
At times, they were ALL the "off-key singer in thr group." Miles Archer Aug 2015 #26
the Deads strength was in their accessibility olddots Aug 2015 #27
Off key, Rumbustious Aug 2021 #28
welcome to DU gopiscrap Aug 2021 #29
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